Tariq Ali 2011 05 26 This Week couchtripper

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[Bastiat90]

1) They did recognise Israel I believe: Edward Said is instrumental in the decision. I think it happened in the late 80's or early 90's.

2) I think this is a pre-requisite, but I accept that Israel has not done what it says it will. Violence when defending property is fine, but some use the Palestinians to carry on their agenda of killing Jews. This is what I criticise: some would establish a giant pogrom in Israel given the chance.

3) Weren't the Camp David accords a con anyway?

[Bastiat90]

Of course Bibi is treated sycophantically at AIPAC; it is a Jewish committee after all.

[Bastiat90]

You have completely failed to see my message: such myopia is not healthy. I do not want an Israeli state... I'd prefer a secular state within whose borders Arabs and Jews can live. Israel's crimes are self-evident and more than enough attention has been paid to them, whereas the crimes of Hamas and the militant Islamists go uncovered because the media is scared of being branded racist as a consequence of negative portrayal of Arabs.

[BelfastAtheist]

@Bastiat90

3) And the fact that it's Israel and the U.S vis-a-vis the Security Council that block implimentation of U.N 242 and U.N 647 - as well as of the Geneva accords which criminalizes the action of putting your own population into conquered territories and respectively, the aquisition of territory through Warfare; Israel is a small Country that *could* be stopped by the Don/U.S in a second, but it won't - it probably never will be.

But yeah, Hamas are the problem! Fucking hell...

[BelfastAtheist]

@Bastiat90

Namely 1) They must recognize Israel before the U.S deals with them..

(The U.S and Israel meanwhile have no intention of recognizing Palestine'

2) They must renounce violence.

(Which the U.S and Israel have no intention of doing, the U.S continues to provide deep Economic, Military, Diplomatic and Political support for Israeli brutality)

3) They must 'abide by previous agreements' - despite the fact it was THEM who terminated the last talks when they got to close to progress.

[BelfastAtheist]

@Bastiat90

Netanyahu is treated scyophantically when he goes to AIPAC conferences, or any conference in the U.S for that matter - the media fawn on him and quote him in full.

When there's some news about Hamas to report, it doesn't even get reported - unless they've committed an attrocity and it can be used for a propanda line against them.

Netenyahu is allowed to renege on his agreements entirely, without Press comment - Hamas are held to 3 Conditions by the Press that he is NOT.

[Bastiat90]

Of course it it's a problem, not the only problem but a problem nonetheless.

[Bastiat90]

Agreed, they are elected: but on that logic the government of Netanyahu was also elected and therefore deserves the same treatment.

[BelfastAtheist]

@Bastiat90

When they thought Hamas wouldn't make any trouble, they tried to use Hamas as a ''Counter-weight'' against the PLO (Before they brutally murdered them with 20,000 deaths in 1982 w/ NATO/U.S support) who *were* making trouble for them..

Hell, Israel invaded another of their Neighboors JUST to knock out an independant Palestinian Political force and you're going to tell me Hamas is the problem?

Fuck off, seriously.

[BelfastAtheist]

@Bastiat90

Remember, not a single Israeli had been killed (Or even injured) when they bombarded Lebanon for the 7th time in 2006 to ''Defend Israel which was being subject to seige Warfare by Katyusha rockets'' - all this talk about ''Oh well Hamas are x and y..'' isn't dealing with the fundamental issues.

First of all, Hamas are the elected Goverment (One of not so many in the Arab World) - you have to deal with them, the Israelis even tried to before..