Pandemic Influenza - Pt 1: The Science

- Arnold Monto, Professor, Epidemiology, University of Michigan
- Peter Palese, Professor and Chair, Microbiology; and Professor of Medicine, Infectious Diseases, Mount Sinai School of Medicine
- Lone Simonsen, Research Professor and Research Director, Department of Global Health, George Washington University
- Jon Cohen, Correspondent, Science Magazine, Presider

(Oct 16, 2009 at the Council on Foreign Relations)

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• flu
• influenza
• swineflu
• h1n1
• pandemic
• science

[ScientiaVeritasEtLux]

even if that were the case it would still be a horrible loss. This strain of influenza seems to target children and young adults. So perhaps this target group could be broken down even farther into children and young adults who have health issues like asthma, cystic fibrosis, weak immune systems, etc. Even if the majority of deaths were in people with preexisting conditions, these victims are young and could have a lot of potential. The loss is simply devastating.

[magogg]

many of them being people with other diseases other than the swine flu also, probably.

[ScientiaVeritasEtLux]

"Ok, if you say so...."

To be honest I'm not surprised that you didn't send me the research I requested. And I actually know why that is. It's because the research doesn't exist. I've looked for it. There is, however, research in such journals as Immunology, Virus, and others to show that there are no real strong correlations between the ingredients of vaccines and serious illness. The only illness comes when the individual has an allergy to the vaccine. But this is exceedingly rare.

[ScientiaVeritasEtLux]

.......only one is necessary. Why would I get more than one?

[heveehart]

Ok then. Go get as many of them as you wish.....

[ScientiaVeritasEtLux]

I know exactly what is in the vaccine. In fact, I would go so far as to say that I know much more about the science behind the vaccines than you do. I have already gotten the live-attenuated nasal spray, and I knew exactly what was going into me. I'm aware of the roles of adjuvants, squalene, thimerasol, etc. and I'm aware that the research papers that I've read have shown no correlation between those ingredients and injury (in the micro-doses in which they're present in the vaccines).

[heveehart]

Ok, if you say so....

[heveehart]

Go ahead ScientiaVeritasEtLux, go get all your vaccines. You obviously have no idea what ingredients they contain, but no one will try to twist your arm to convince you not to get injected with them.  So go ahead, vaccinate away......

[ScientiaVeritasEtLux]

Additionally, the vaccine is NOT toxic. Please provide evidence for this claim before spouting propagandist bullshit. I want you to provide me with real, peer-reviewed scientific literature from credible research journals. I will not accept links to rubbish propagandist/alarmist websites.

[ScientiaVeritasEtLux]

are you kidding? This pandemic IS a big deal. Typically during pandemics, as high as a third to a half of the entire world population can become infected. Today there are almost 7 billion people, so a third would be 2.3 billion. The current estimate on the mortality rate of the H1N1 virus is approximately 0.4% (and that's a very conservative estimate). So combining that figure with the 2.3 billion, an estimated 9.3 million people will die. Many of those being children.