Why I Don't Believe: Consider The Snowflake.
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Atheism; making sense since 1859!
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9:51 Brilliant finish my friend.
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where does consciousness come from?..it comes from the brain..what is the brain?..a big ball of atoms like everything else..consider this: a sperm cell and an ovary are absent of consciousness. once a sperm cell fertilizes an ovary, a human being will eventually form possessing consciousness..where did that consciousness come from?..essentially it came from DNA, which results in a brain, which results in consciousness..it's not magic.
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@Anarkokommunist; Well, before that... making sense since the beginning of time. There has just only recently been beings able to comprehend the organized simplicity in all of this... complexity... yeah.
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Great classic vid, Phil.
The irony here is that snowflake-formation is the best example (that I know of) demonstrating why abiogenesis (RNA/DNA-formation) is absolutely NOT in violation of the 2nd Law, as creatards suggest.
In both cases, although we move from disorder-->order, we liberate heat, which gives a net (+) change in entropy (for the universe), and allows both processes to be thermodynamically spontaneous and favorable on Earth. Gotta love it here.
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@Oliver1456 We don't know exactly how consiousness came to be. We have a good idea of how it could but we don't know for sure. So does that leave place for a god outside of the realm of science to be the explanation? Yes. So it did for lightning, earthquakes, magnets, fire, rainbows etc. before people understood them. But in none of these did god HAD to be the explanation, and in none of these it turned out to be the explanation. Think about that
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Science...it works bitches!
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You are one of the most humble and sensible atheists I've seen. I believe in some sort of existence in an afterlife and I'm an ignostic in relation to the God question. I've seen your NDE clip and I find you a spiritual person in spite of your defense of atheism.
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@taekneek there are only so many ways this can be said... if god interacts in any way with the universe, we will find him. our universe keeps track of everything...
i think you should reconsider your position, i think you are making the bare assertion fallacy. something isn't true, just because you say so, especially when experience proves otherwise
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@De4sher He works in the ways of the world in ways that cannot be tangibly explained by this world. You have to change your view of God. He's not something tangible you can literally measure or prove.
If science comes tomorrow with proof of God, only the ignorant Christian would believe it.
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@taekneek did god create the world? did he allegedly intervene in it after creation?
then he obviously works in the ways of the world in one way or another.
your thinking is simply wrong.
you are the one that doesn't understand actually that all you're trying to do is making excuses for stuff that may or may not exist.
what if science comes tomorrow with proof that there's a god? are you going to not believe it simply because of your current irrational statement?
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Do you think I could beat him in a debate on the brain?
Oliver1456 2 years ago
No. From what I've read you seem to be saying brain chemistry can make one feel good, ergo...GOD! You say there are poetic explanations (ignoring those explanation's insanity), ergo GOD! And you say science says we should be zombies. Science doesn't say that. It would presume too much. We're obviously not zombies (nor are parrots) and science just looks for the mechanisms. You misrepresent too much.
That doesn't strike me as the thinking of anyone who could win ANY debate.
philhellenes 2 years ago 3
These snowflakes, I'm not disputing that we not made of the same material as a snowflake. How come I am conscious when the snowflake isn't? and my second question is, how did we become conscious from unconscious precursors? Some things seem to be ineffable. Not a god of the gaps, just simply not within the the realm of science.
Oliver1456 2 years ago
Thoughtful (and therefore GOOD) questions. Obviously my answers will lack detail, but...
The brain evolved to process information (Hot! Move away! Sharp! Back off! etc.) That capacity could grow through complexity. A snowflake cannot acquire complexity.
The second question has the same answer as the first. Neither answer is good, or at all complete. But complexity is...complex. Your answers are "god"? That is a simple answer to a complex question and even less complete, in my opinion.
philhellenes 2 years ago 5