Christopher Hitchens at The World Humanist Congress Part 1

The speech of Christopher Hitchens at The World Humanist Congress - Washington D.C. - 08 June 2008 - Part 1. The movie was filmed by Remus Cernea - President of Romanian Humanist Association - website: www.secularhumanism.ro ; also: www.humanism.ro

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[talicohen]

ARGUMENT FROM KENT HOVIND

(1) I don't want to work for a living.

(2) I don't want to pay taxes.

(3) I can get gullible fundamentalists to send me money.

(4) I can use religious exemption claims to tie the IRS up in court.

(5) Therefore, God exists.

[btiggy420]

God does not exist

[enlightendbel]

@talicohen the later didn't work all to well did it :p

[writersblock26]

Thank you for posting this, Solidaritatea.

[tdjdk]

It doesn't matter what you do as a true christian. You can murder, rape, steal, lie, anything at all, the only way to hell is NOT believing in jeebus as your lord and saviour. It doesn't matter if you kill in the name of allah, all the innocents will be guaranteed a place in heaven, as long as you do it for god.

Killing for israel as a jew is kosher - afterall, god PROMISED this land to the jews. In every case, you can do what you want to non-believers.

Morals? In religion? You MUST be joking

[theREALshafan]

adultery is immoral only if you're defining it as someone cheating on their spouse - this is because of the hurt feelings of the cheated, not because it goes against bronze age myths. There is absolutely nothing wrong with sex before marriage, so long as each person properly consents.

many people act immorally, but we do have an innate sense of right and wrong. do you really think that the jews could have made it to Sinai if they thought that murdering eachother was moral?

[theREALshafan]

you didn't adress my point that the bible does not stress rape as worse than adultery. This is especially true in the old testament, where most passages with women are them getting traded like cattle.

Christians utterly degrade the concept of morality, and humanity, by saying that morals are just arbitrary rules set down by some powerful being. If an archangel came down and told me that he'd changed his mind, and it was ok to go and kill and steal, you know what? I still wouldn't kill.

[mutabrev]

To therealshafan, Adulterers commit adultery and are sinning. Rapists are animals, and there probably isn't a lot of point admonishing an animal, you just kill it.

Moral or immoral, at least believers fear the consequences of their actions, atheists have no worries unless they get caught.

Let's not delude ourselves into imagining that we have a higher moral standard than lets say Jesus demonstrated. That would be great, thanks.

[GaiusIuliusTaberna]

@Hufflewaffle Nature sure doesn't tell you to slit the throat of anyone who try's to convert you away from belief in god, (Judaism, Christianity, Islam.) It doesn't recomend genitle mutilation, it doesn't tell you to kill women whenever something bad happens based on a belief in witchery, it doesn't tell you to burn people for fagotry, and it most certainly doesn't motivate people to blow themselves up in crowded subways.

[TAz69x]

Yes, essentially.

Sentient beings exist subjectively, there's unpleasant and pleasant states associated with neurology.

So don't impart pain, death, loss, suffering, etc. to that subjectivity.

[theREALshafan]

well not as such, but we categorically do not need the supernatural to know moral from immoral.

YOU for your part probably know that rape is far worse than fornication and adultery, despite the fact that the bible spends far more time condemning adulterers than rapists.

[Hufflewaffle]

So science has found 'right' and 'wrong' in nature?

What an extraordinary claim.