竹内流柔術・こしのまわり小具足 - Takenouchi Ryu Koshi-no-Mawari Kogusoku

２００９日本武道際・竹内流・こしのまわり小具足 - 2009 Nippon Budo Festival - Takenouchi Ryu Koshi-no-Mawari Kogusoku
October 10, 2009 at the Nippon Budokan

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[wheresthecorporal]

@CoIdHeat As i said, my school of iai doesn't start using shinken until later, so we usually put alot of money into our iaito in the mean time, then when we get shinken its a metter of cutting performance rather than feel, when two people get out iaito and do waza they get hurt, they wont hurt themselves, but each other is what I mean, if you do it slowly and carefully yuo wont, but iaioka well generally trie to get faster, and will huirt themselve,s which is why we use bokken so we dont/

[CoIdHeat]

@wheresthecorporal I can also understand the idea of an iaito for training. It sure feels different than a bokken. More close to the real one but honestly.. i wouldn't spend 1500 for a sword, which just pretends to be a real sword and with which you can't even get into real contact in partner training.There were no iaito in feudal japan. Bushi had to train straight from the beginning with real blades or bokken. But thats just my 5 cent. Everything that works for you is good.

[CoIdHeat]

@wheresthecorporal I wouldn't even allow someone else to touch my blade, which was only made for me. A friend of mine has a 10.000 euro Nihontō. I honestly envy her. Still i think the cheap shinken are great for practising since they are expendable but still good. I can't retrace how you could hurt yourself with it. I only use it when practicing alone, with a teammate i use a bokken. I've heard a story of a "master" hurting himself by drawing a sword and found it pathetic

[wheresthecorporal]

@CoIdHeat

I have lots iaioka ask me that, you dont learn to use a sword while its sharp, you will hurt yourself, in my dojo, we dont use shinken until our 3rd dan (6 years) so we have no need for cutting swords, we are told to get a good iaito for the job, by the time your 3rd dan, you will be (traditionally) given a hand made shinken for you, we can justifie spending the money, some schools can't, I'm extremely careful with mine, i wont let it fall more than 3 cm onto something soft.

[CoIdHeat]

@wheresthecorporal Mh thats a good reason not to make it more realistic by acting like they slip out of your hand and fall to the ground but may i ask what iaitos are good for? Spending 1500 is quite a bit, regarding that its a blunt sword only and you can already get a proper cutting one for 300-400€. Mhh.. i train traditionally with a bokken but since everything is a question of protection (especially against thrusts) i have yet to found a sword which fits the requirements.

[wheresthecorporal]

@CoIdHeat

If you start doing fast enough its easy, all you have to do is lose your grip for a second, the blade might not have an edge, but the end sure has heck does, i accidently put one through a wall once, as for medievil sword fighting, perhaos yes that was a standard, butt im sure plent have been hurt that way. and for losing your weapon, i wouldn't allow anyone to flick my iaito out of my hand and hit the floor, especially after i spen 1500 on it, there not made for that type of abuse

[CoIdHeat]

@wheresthecorporal How exactly can you hurt yourself when you do a choreography with a iaito? It's an honest question. It's pretty much normal in medieval fighting that people spar without any choreography with blunt metal swords. I'm just saying that you better dont handle a shinken if not for the purpose of cutting something or someone and that i'm disappointed that the show isn't as realistic as it could be. Losing your weapon or laying it down are two different things

[wheresthecorporal]

@CoIdHeat

Regardless of it being choreographed, plenty of people have been hurt when two iaoka decide that they'll do a waza together with iaito or shinken, and regardless of how well they train they get hurt, also that armor is a real bastard to move in, iaiDO as it is, is not really a battle thing, thats iaijutsi, the droppign swords part, the context is that the swords had been lost for one reason or aother, and that was common on battlefields

[CoIdHeat]

@wheresthecorporal Every school has it's right to exist but to the eye of the beholder - even to one's who's not only there for entertainment as possibly 90% of the viewers but actually has indepth knowledge of the fighting techniques and history of the samurai - this looks unintentionally ridiculous. Like the scene where both drop their swords to start wrestling. Its completely unrealistic. Regarding the speed: after all its choreographed. I would have expected more

[wheresthecorporal]

@Mavorickify

thats cause hes on the recieving side ofthe waza, generallly in normal dojo practise they take turns, but this is a demo so they just choose one to get killed, traditionally its the one with more skill