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[codywrite]

are koch brothers with these guys

[Russ Knopf]

Funny. You called me stupid, and uneducated, and were supposed to be done with me. Even when I said that basically Socialism and Communism were different stages of the same plant. So what gives? Or are you just toying with me? Wait a min. got a call from Fox news coming in.......

[Russ Knopf]

Do you think the Federal reserve is a good idea? My God I hope not. And I am sure that you drive an American, union made auto., just like you go out of your way to buy as many American, union made products and services as possible. And of course you aren't employed by a corporation or do business with corporations and support only local businesses & pay more to not buy chinese made or assembled goods. I try to do these things to the best of my ability as I'm sure you do too.

[Russ Knopf]

The Statist see "A" & wants to divide & distribute amongst the population.

The Capitalist sees "A" & wants to create as many "A's" as the population wants. And if you say that some can't afford "A", the more there is, the cheaper it will become, based on the law of supply & demand. Furthermore, to create more "A's" requires more employment & more salaries, which mean more jobs & salaries for those who couldn't afford "A" in the first place.

[Russ Knopf]

No. If I pay a man who freely agrees to a wage to pull al lever, and he pulls it, and I pay him that agreed upon wage, you say that I still am in debt to him. He is not a slave and performed a task for me for compensation. Where is the debt? Wage is not determined by competition between laborers as Marx said. It is between competition FOR the laborer. I am for free association, you are for forced association it seems.

[Russ Knopf]

Are you advocating criminality based on socio-economic status? I don't understand. National monopolies are ill indeed. But if a state wants to have a monopoly, let the people of that state regulate it. Again, Marx never considered a economy with over 300 million people. London st the time of 1848 had about 2 million people. It's impossible for 1 man or a group of a thousand men to centrally plan an economy.

[Russ Knopf]

So more government creates less dependance on govt? How can you confine all of mankind into 2 classes of society? The rulers and the ruled? When Marx calls for the proletariat class to overthrow the bourgeois and conquest the political power, they form a new ruling class or govt. When you say Capital is not a personal, but a social power, you are dependant on society to provide something, which society can also take away. Again, look at Texas. Low taxes/regs. = most growth.

[Russ Knopf]

People have been speaking ill, and rightly so,of Socialism for over 160 years now. Since his "feudal system of industry" and the advancement of machinery, i.e. the Industrial Revolution, is the common man better or worse off? Has the standard of life in general gone up or down since the 1800's? Does the common man have more or less than his late 19th century counterpart? What has accomplished more for the world, Capitalistic or Communistic ideals?

[Vicioussama]

I never said everyone would be equally rich or happy. I said that I want the opportunity for everyone to achieve such. Right now, that opportunity is being closed off by the corporations and the rich upper class through THEIR class warfare that they started to send people back into serfdom. And they have done so spectacularly well with the demagogging against say liberalism and socialism and other such things. It's despicable and it seems as though you've fallen prey to it.

[Vicioussama]

Which, in part, is due to a lack of people's awareness of the problem. Which, again, brings us back to the cause which is because the corporations control the media and they bought and control our politicians. They close off our possibility to keep them from being a monopoly and doing harm to the people of our country. Your philosophy of less government seems to only allow them to continue their rape of our society. No, we need more government, but we need proper government.