Evidence For God: Poisonous Frogs - The Atheist Experience #614

"Evidence For God: Poisonous Frogs". This is a clip from The Atheist Experience #614, "TAM Recap. Matt recaps his visit to The Amazing Meeting 7.", with Matt Dillahunty and Martin Wagner:

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[MunkyDrag0n]

Creationists are so f**king stupid that they can't comprehend anything longer than a few thousand years and groups of more than a few hundred individuals. You people think so small, no wonder you are the minority in the top universities!

[mikefromwa]

Theist argument: "Something happened and I can't explain it...so there must be a god!"

[jsamari]

snakes drink poison all day! they should be dead as hell, but god is keeping them around for some reason. i knoweth not of his mysterious ways

[deltaxcd]

@57worldwide

I newer said that evolution has anything to do with passing advantageous traits onto offspring.

O think cane toads poison has mostly deterring purpose because it tastes terrible and predator just drops the toad. It is not supposed to be deadly but it happens to be so by accident.

Puffer fish poison is tasteless so it evolved as side effect of adaptation to bacterial toxins while it has no effect on host fish.

[57worldwide]

@deltaxcd Regadless of the function of thorns, regardless of the species which are toxic as a harmless side effect of anther function - evolution is more complicated than you had stated. It isn't just passing advantageous traits onto offspring. That is only natural selection.

What about cane toads, then? Is them being toxic just a side effect of another function, or is it an advantage to be toxic to other animals?

[deltaxcd]

@57worldwide

thorns are useful because it makes individual rose unattractive to those who may eat it.

thorns of individual rose have no effect on survival of other roses. If some mutant rose without thorns will appear, it has higher chances to be eaten so that trait will be eliminated over time.

Poison works in different way than thorns, because it does not protect specific individual, so it does not provide any advantage. In contrast bad taste is useful.

[57worldwide]

@deltaxcd Just like roses grow thorns as a side effect of another function?

Now, look up mutation and genetic drift.

[deltaxcd]

@deltaxcd

intead of speaking your opinion you shoud presnet proof of which species evolved poison just for sake of being poisonous.

as I know all species get poison just as harmless side effect of some another function.

If it would be possible to get poison by evolutionary process, everything would be poisonous.

[deltaxcd]

@57worldwide

I did enough research and don't need anything more if you have some specific proof give it yourself.

all mainstream traits exist because they had advantage over other traits in same situations. Traits that have no advantage are displaced in some time.

Since traits come in combos so you can get something harmful with something useful. Harmful traits only exist if they are not significant.

[57worldwide]

@deltaxcd Evolution is NOT driven by mutations that make individuals more competitive.

Firstly, evolution can lead to extinct species. It's not that all species which are alive have evolved, and the ones which are extinct failed to do so.

Secondly, not all traits are present merely due to them giving an advantage.

You have evolutionary theory confused with evolution by natural selection. Now, go do some research!

[deltaxcd]

@57worldwide

Don't pick on details.

Yes, evolution is visible on the whole group but it is driven by individual mutations that make individuals more competitive against other members of same group.

There is nothing to oversimplify because it is extremely simple to start with.