If our sins are forgiven, why must we give an account to God on the last day for how we lived?

John Piper says that our deeds in this life are evidence of, not grounds for our justification.

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[vdvsoldat]

It's like this. If the nice little lady Mother Teresa, with all the millions that she loved, and fed and cared for....................IF she was BORN AGAIN, then all those deeds fall under rightious deeds VIA Christ's Blood.

If she did those deeds to EARN her way to Heaven, she will end up in Hell.

A million good deeds are nothing compared to the blood of Christ.

One single good deed done by a born again believer means everything to God.

[therealdrag0]

You kiddin' Piper? You'll get a big city ;P

[eambrausa]

so according to Piper, a man who is a professed Christian, commits adultery, murderer, is a liar, fornicator, thief etc....will only lose rewards? BUT the bible say those will not enter Gods Kingdom, it was written to Christians!

If futures sin are already forgiven why Jesus says that if we don't forgive people who sin against us (now and in the future...) then God will not forgive us?

Forgiveness is conditional to repentance and forgiving others, is a daily thing.

[NEELAELISABET]

The Blood of Christ does not cover our sins. The Blood of Christ washes away the sin.it takes away the sin completely.

[BritneyAddicted4EVA]

The only thing that's still unknown to me is degrees of rewards. I've watched a sermon yesterday called "Word of Promise, Spirit of God, Hope of Man" in which Pastor Piper says that in the eternity we will be more and more enjoying God and that our joy will never stop increasing. If that's true I don't see how do we have degrees of rewards. What is a town compared to joy in the Lord?

[vicachcoup]

@shakinwakin35

'''Where I think we all need to be careful is when suggesting that God didnt divinely inspire Paul's writing in NT. '''

I think we need to be double careful to think that God did inspire Paul.

Paul was anti-Christ when he was alive - are we to believe that it is not inconceivable he remained so after?

What better way to destroy the teachings of Jesus than to come along with something else you claim authority for.

Did Jesus sanction the changes Paul brought???

[vicachcoup]

@shakinwakin35

'1 tim talks of ALL scripture being God breathed and useful. John warned of removing or adding from Scripture. therefore, it is all important'

OK so the bible is correct bcause something in the Bible says it is - a bit of a circular argument.

So that is proof? And we can ignore common sense?

You only have to look at the completely different accounts of the events at the tomb to see the Bible is incorect. Why did no one else mentio the dead rising etc etc

[shakinwakin35]

@vicachcoup @MnMagpie If we consider the Bible to be the Word of God, we must consider it in full, rather than in part. 1 tim talks of ALL scripture being God breathed and useful. John warned of removing or adding from Scripture. therefore, it is all important. But it would be an unfortunate mistake to think that some scripture should be heeded while other sections not. Im not sure if thats what you're saying, but thats what i was hearing =/ . If Jesus is trustworthy, then so is Jesus THRU Paul

[shakinwakin35]

@vicachcoup @MnMagpie I agree with yall in so far as that we should test everything (1 thes 5: 21) so we should NOT all just tag along with what Piper says without testing it by the Word. That being said, it SEEMED to me that much of this was said in speculation based upon other teachings in scriptures (rewards in heaven, justification/imputed righteousness, giving an account, etc.)

Where I think we all need to be careful is when suggesting that God didnt divinely inspire Paul's writing in NT.

[shakinwakin35]

@Barerra1 It's much more than just calling oneself "Christian" that grants one salvation. Its about relationship with Christ.

All who call on the name of the Lord and believe the Father has raised Him from the dead will be saved. There's an implied relational aspect to calling on the name of the Lord. It involves calling for Christ to be Lord of one's life, not just friend or teacher or boss. Christ must be Lord in entirety. outward evidence points to Christ NOT being Hitler's Lord (Matt 7: 16)