Collision: Christopher Hitchens vs. Douglas Wilson - new trailer Oct 2009

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Why are you guys arguing this here? See the documentary above and many of these weak arguments will be rebutted. For the contentious among you surely there is a forum or echo chamber somewhere that cares. I have seen the documentary and it is well done.

Jesus saves yall, but then again most jewish people do.

"piqued" your interest.

So long "loving god" then...

And? Sacrificing his "only son" (ignoring that he could easily make more) is supposed to make us care... why? I couldn't give a flying fuck personally.

Besides which, why would you send your child to pay for the sins which you yourself are keeping tally of. God could have just as easily said "Y'know, I forgive all of you.". A living sacrifice and primitive and barbaric - as is the Old testament god.

I stand corrected, "piqued" your interest.

Anywho, what difference does it make if God forgives us by saying it, or sending Christ to cover our sins, the point is our sin, against Him is forgiven because what He did for us, nothing what we did by ourselves.

Again, that's a merciful God, not a barbaric God. We *SHOULD* deserve eternal damnation, we sinned against Him, yet we are forgiven.

What rubbish. These "sins" are only sins because god decided they are. Why even bother giving people free choice only to point a metaphorical gun at their head and demand obedience under threat of torture. Some mercy that is.

I just dont understand why a blood sacrifice is touted as the ultimate sacrifice, or why it should matter to us.

Besides, we don't owe god anything. If its our own decisions to do things then its his decisions to make us too. There's no obligation to pay him shit.

If I owed $100,00 to my credit card company, and they came to me and said, you know what, my son here will pay your debt. Personally, I'm not going to reply with, "I don't give a flying f***. Why are you keeping tally of what I owe you?"

But that's just me...