Secession or Constitutional Convention ?

Secession is not permitted under the current U.S. Constitution.

Therefore, President Obama is bound, as was Civil War President Abraham Lincoln, to protect and defend all the express provisions of the U.S. Constitution which includes putting down any State secession action.

This does not mean, however, that a peaceful state secession may not be achieved. A change in the constitution that would permit state secession through Article V in the form of a constitutional amendment or calling a constitutional convention is path to peacefully dissolving the Union. The Congressional then State amendment process is well known by most Americans but few realize that it takes only 2/3rds of the States to call a constitutional convention thereby bypassing Congress and the President in amending or changing the US Constitution.

Once assembled the convention delegates on a vote on a one state one vote basis may pass anything they can agree on with nothing to stop them from dissolving the current constitution as the delegates did expressly against the federal government's authority in the 1787 Philadelphia convention.

The 21st Century Constitutional Convention measures would be presented directly to the State legislatures. Only 38 would be required to ratify all or part of the measures passed by the Constitutional Convention delegates.




Therefore, the calling of a constitutional convention is State legal step to bypass Congress, the President and the Supreme Court to enact provisions for States to peaceful secede from the Union. Such a convention may prove to be quite revolutionary especially during a time of crisis such as in 1787 when the US faced insolvency due to the federal debt, the collapse of the dollar, and outright armed citizen rebellion.

There are other measures more prudent in correcting the current defects in the federal government than calling a constitutional convention. One is simply the repeal of Public Law 62-5 that limits the size of the House of Representatives. If the true representatives of people were restored to pre-1912 levels, the House would now hold about 2400 representatives. People would personally known their representative and Congress would be answerable to a small block of constituents rather than lobbyists, media types and anyone who could raise the candidates the money necessary to reach 700,000+ constituents every two years year. A House of Representatives, as framed by the founders in 1787, would be more a manageable conduit for "We The People" to correct the defects in the federal government and change Washington.

Under the current constitution secession is not an option but the call for a constitutional convention or amendment permitting secession is not only plausible, it is perfectly legal. Should a constitutional convention be called in this time of growing financial insolvency, a mechanism for the states to secede could readily be adopted marking the beginning of the end of the United States of America.

Secessionists, Article Vers, Tea and Green Party activists -- my fellow Americans, LOOK to THE House and the repeal Public Law 62-5 to find your voice and mechanism to correct the defects in the federal government. "We The People" must save the United States of America so help us God.

Secession (derived from the Latin term secessio) is the act of withdrawing from an organization, union, or especially a political entity. Threats of secession also can be a strategy for achieving more limited goals.

The Philadelphia Convention (now also known as the Constitutional Convention, the Federal Convention, or the Grand Convention at Philadelphia) took place from May 25 to September 17, 1787, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, to address problems in governing the United States of America, which had been operating under the Articles of Confederation following independence from Great Britain. Although the Convention was purportedly intended only to revise the Articles of Confederation, the intention of many of its proponents, chief among them James Madison and Alexander Hamilton, was from the outset to create a new government rather than fix the existing one. The delegates elected George Washington to preside over the convention. The result of the Convention was the United States Constitution. The Convention is one of the central events in the history of the United States.

Order of Secession During the American Civil War

State Date of Secession
South Carolina December 20, 1860
Mississippi January 9, 1861
Florida January 10, 1861
Alabama January 11, 1861
Georgia January 19, 1861
Louisiana January 26, 1861
Texas February 1, 1861
Virginia April 17, 1861
Arkansas May 6, 1861
North Carolina May 20, 1861
Tennessee June 8, 1861

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[AlanRLight]

There is no Constitutional prohibition on Secession. In fact, the right of sovereign States to secede is guaranteed by the 10th Amendment.

Lincoln acted illegally.

[MrJerrysheehan]

I'm ready to move to any state that secedes!

[Luigi84289]

Lincoln did not lead a war that killed 600,000 Americans over slavery. Involuntary taxation started the war. The South had the third largest economy in the world at the time.

[ROXAS10000000000]

where does the constitution say that they cant secede? They shouldnt but it doesnt say lol

[Thunkful2]

@XFunc

How do u know that the govt is just me?

How is money going out of my pocket into others = me paying just me?

Am I Acorn?

Well, yes, u can separate inefficiency as a separate topic.

But I think, for example, that with welfare, the majority of the money goes to overhead & beaurocrat salaries, not the people in need.

Samuel warned the people who wanted a King (Saul) that the king would take ten percent of their $. We shud be so lucky.

There must be some limit on what the govt can take.

[XFuncCaRteR]

@Thunkful2

First off, though I lived in the US and have American relatives, I'm not American.

Second, the government is just you. It's just the administrative body of your country. In otherwords, you aren't paying some mysterious X-Files organization. You're paying your own society.

There may be inefficiency in government, but if so, then address that. But that's a separate issue.

[XFuncCaRteR]

@FlashVirus

Dude, there is no "they". Replace "they" with "we", because that's the reality.

It's your country. Pay your bills.

[Thunkful2]

@1978atcarroll

Yes, time marches on. It is appointed to man once to die, but after that the judgment. Graves come in all sizes for all ages. Soon we shall all be history. Nations & empires rise & fall. But Jesus Christ is the same; yesterday, today, & forever.

[Thunkful2]

@XFuncCaRteR

If you want to pay the debt & more taxes, have at it! Who is stopping you? If we are working over half the work year to give money to the govt, have we not become slaves? The govt receives X dollars; it must not spend more than X dollars -- it is that simple. I have worked for the govt --- waste is the name of the game. All u who want to be slaves of the govt, go & live in China or Cuba. Leave out those of us who want freedom.

[1978atcarroll]

@Thunkful2 you are still here, for a little while. time marches on...

[Thunkful2]

@1978 Wet-Behind-the-Ears?

We are yet around, THE UNNAMED GENERATION, born during WW II, born after "the Silent Generation" and before "the Baby Boomers"! We have to take control, we who were raised when the Bible was read by law every day in public school, we who experienced the change in the Pledge of Allegiance to include "under God."

As raised by baby-boomers (who went after secular humanism & into baby-murder & the glorification of sodomy) & brain-washed, u are not qualified!

[Thunkful2]

@AmericanNohbuddy

Oops? Since when does secession = confederation?

So kindly educated me: what is the proof that secession is not permitted under the Constitution?

9th Amendment: "The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

The amendments also trump anything to the contrary in the original constitution. Who is to say that the people don't retain the right to vote to secede?