Bakuni and Marx Fight

Bakunin, the anarchist, and Karl Marx, the socialist, argue over how the revolution will come in this comedic scene from the one man show Marx in Soho by Howard Zinn. This performance of the nationally touring Iron Age Theatre production took place at the Capital Fringe in July of 2007. Bob Weick played Karl Marx to sold out houses in the Colosseum of the Warehouse.

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[figocooldude]

histoy proved you wrong dear Marx

[ironagetheatre]

The play actually supports your position. Zinn speaks through Marx but Marx is proven wrong through this very message. New video coming to show some of this.

[JagArKrig]

We want the same thing as Marxists, minus the prerequisite dictatorship. It was crude and uncalled for, for you to ad hominem a whole group, because of a few persons. Why can't we co-exist? We both espouse statelessness and classlessness, the extirpation of capitalism, and a symmetry in wealth.

[JagArKrig]

Hello, swwetpotos. Thank you very much for the speedy response.

I believe you have a little too much hope vested into a particular partisan clique. Power corrupts a man, regardless of his political affiliation. Lenin's dialogues suggested a preliminary dictatorship to Marxist utopia, but he was a bona fide despot with no regards to the people. This has happened so many times, too. They're all the same, they spout their populist rhetoric, but when push comes to shove, nothing changes.

[COMMUNALISM]

When Marx and Lenin say "dictatorship of the proletariat", the are not talking about a dictatorship OVER the people. They are saying the proletariat controls everything.

[Azash123]

@figocooldude not entirely

[chrispollock]

@JagArKrig one calls for forced collectivism through dictatorship. one calls for voluntary association. they couldn't be different.

[Tougemaster06]

@figocooldude Not necessarily. It wasn't so much Marx's idea that directly caused the SOviet Union. It was Lenin's confabulation of Marx's work that led to dictatorship. Bakunin was right that Marx's work had an error but to say it was Marx's theory period that was the problem is stretching it some. You would have to a state remain in order for freedom to eventually come to pass. How would you keep people from murdering each other or stealing people's personal belongings?

[LeftPolitiko]

Bakunin is extremely overrated. He is treated like a prophet who predicted the rise of Stalinism when, in reality, he was a sectarian demagogue who helped to break up the first international.

[ZYKLONBKILLSHITLER]

I wish they never fought I thought they were BFF

[Knoss]

If people understood Marx's views on this matter they Holocaust, Holdomor ect would not come as such a surprise.  In 1975 the New York Times claimed Cambodia better without America, some blamed Pol Pot on Nixon's bombings. If people better understood the issue they would know that genocide is essential to class warfare and would have demanded military aid to the free nations of indochina.

[afthefragile]

It'll work in a small community, under certain special circumstances. Like say during war periods or periods of tension/oppression where strength belongs in numbers.

It won't work for a whole big state. It'll always end up producing a Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler or Mao.

[Ilikenuman]

have you ever heard of the commun de paris?