Get it through your heads: there is no objective morality.

A response to the comments that I kept seeing in response to the criticisms of objective morality.

I did this off the cuff, so if there are mistakes or slip ups, forgive me. Also, if anyone out there disagrees with me and thinks they have the argumentative skills to debate the subject, by all means leave a comment, send a PM or make a response. Little would please me more than a good debate.

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[parrisdaley]

Does morality being "objective" matter? Without morals you would already be dead and I would probably be dead too.

[BornInAsphodelMeadow]

@parrisdaley your point being

[otakurocklee]

4:49 - "Why should I accept the premise that pain is bad?"... why is this an acceptable question, whereas "Why is logic true?" is not an acceptable question... In both cases you are starting with an unjustifiable basic premise... the chain of explanation must end somewhere... you will reach a point where asking "why" is impossible... If you say there is no objective morality because of unjustified basic premises, you must say the same for everything... Mathematics begins with axioms. science too

[BornInAsphodelMeadow]

@otakurocklee agreed. There are no objectively true beliefs, because ultimately even if there was an objective truth, we couldn't know it, but if we only consider subjective reality, you are correct.

[dannidandannikins]

Conspicuous by its absence: Objectivism

[otakurocklee]

@BornInAsphodelMeadow cool. :) thanks for replying.

[MrDavidkinane]

objective morality is an oxymoron

every living thing trys to escape pain but its still subjective what is objective is that your r feeling pain in other words i dont have agree your dying 4 u to b dying and evolution has givin us the need to survive so moraltiy is a social construct to avoid suffering its subjective but the means r sort of objective

[MrDavidkinane]

objective morality is an oxymoron



[secobi]

@DogsneedpIeasuretoo also, pain IS subjective by definition; i.e. I cannot subject a rock to pain; i.e. I cannot subject your nervous system to pain but I can subject your consciousness.