@papertigero Oh my goodness... please fact check Mcintyre' claims before you wave them around. In the graphs the x and y axes give matching values, but he shows them as if they would show a mistake. Maybe he is just testing how stupid his readers are? That is probably one of the wildest claims I've heard from deniers. In their world all climatologists are either complete morons or manipulative evil libruls.
@papertigero Talking to yourself now. You're right about you posting papers you haven't read, just copy pasting from deniers. However Mann 2008 (the one which you are apparently blind to) explicitly says:
"Recent warmth appears anomalous for at least the past 1,300 years whether or not tree-ring data are used."
@papertigero Except sometimes the sediment percentages are disrupted by human influences. Forestry, construction work, and farming, causes more mineral runoff skewing the temperature. Tiljander - the study Mann features - suffers from this.
Reading Tiljander graphs straight you would think that Lake Korttajarvi entered it's own mini ice age in 1930.
Mike saw the down slope (inverted hockeystick) decided it suited his purposes then flipped it upside down and called it a warming trend.
@demdanglibruls Fraudsters, yes. Pick any AGW study you like. In fact let's use the last one you posted, Mann et al 08.
way back in the forest, behind all the deadwood, mike features a Finnish sediment study from Lake Korttajarvi.
Primer on sediment studies, layers of dirt are deposited during spring runoff season. Regular as clockwork. Within these layers are % of mineral and plant matter. The ratio is used to estimate temperature. Higher % mineral equals bigger snowpack, colder winter.
@demdanglibruls - I dispute that map shows any part of California as being involved in the MWP, when ancient treelines, dried lake bed, and river flow reconstructions show the ENTIRE Sierra was involved, but let's get beyond that.
Using the term "much of" indicates that you recognize at least some of that map is wrong. And it's the key bit. The southern Sierra. Kings Canyon, Giant Sequoia. Mono lake. Whitewing mnt. Even the Bristlecone pines that Michael Mann pilfered.
The music in this video is amped up. Way. Too. Loud. I can't even watch it.
davesciwriter 3 weeks ago
@papertigero Such a blatant error... how is it so easily missed?
demdanglibruls 3 weeks ago
@papertigero Oh my goodness... please fact check Mcintyre' claims before you wave them around. In the graphs the x and y axes give matching values, but he shows them as if they would show a mistake. Maybe he is just testing how stupid his readers are? That is probably one of the wildest claims I've heard from deniers. In their world all climatologists are either complete morons or manipulative evil libruls.
demdanglibruls 3 weeks ago
@papertigero Talking to yourself now. You're right about you posting papers you haven't read, just copy pasting from deniers. However Mann 2008 (the one which you are apparently blind to) explicitly says:
"Recent warmth appears anomalous for at least the past 1,300 years whether or not tree-ring data are used."
Please don't put your foot in your mouth.
demdanglibruls 3 weeks ago
@demdanglibruls
huh? Your screw has come totally loose here. I haven't the first clue what you are talking about.
papertigero 1 month ago
@papertigero Except sometimes the sediment percentages are disrupted by human influences. Forestry, construction work, and farming, causes more mineral runoff skewing the temperature. Tiljander - the study Mann features - suffers from this.
Reading Tiljander graphs straight you would think that Lake Korttajarvi entered it's own mini ice age in 1930.
Mike saw the down slope (inverted hockeystick) decided it suited his purposes then flipped it upside down and called it a warming trend.
papertigero 1 month ago
@demdanglibruls Fraudsters, yes. Pick any AGW study you like. In fact let's use the last one you posted, Mann et al 08.
way back in the forest, behind all the deadwood, mike features a Finnish sediment study from Lake Korttajarvi.
Primer on sediment studies, layers of dirt are deposited during spring runoff season. Regular as clockwork. Within these layers are % of mineral and plant matter. The ratio is used to estimate temperature. Higher % mineral equals bigger snowpack, colder winter.
papertigero 1 month ago
@papertigero Are you trying to fuck with me?
Don't post up bullshit papers that you haven't read.
papertigero 1 month ago
@demdanglibruls TREES. Remember? You made the claim that there were temperature reconstructions that validated global warming WITHOUT TREES.
You can't even see the reconstructions in Mann 08 because of all the trees in the way.
papertigero 1 month ago
@demdanglibruls - I dispute that map shows any part of California as being involved in the MWP, when ancient treelines, dried lake bed, and river flow reconstructions show the ENTIRE Sierra was involved, but let's get beyond that.
Using the term "much of" indicates that you recognize at least some of that map is wrong. And it's the key bit. The southern Sierra. Kings Canyon, Giant Sequoia. Mono lake. Whitewing mnt. Even the Bristlecone pines that Michael Mann pilfered.
papertigero 1 month ago