The Problem with Religion

It really is terribly simple,
1) models with predictive capability are of utility.
2) Science is in a class of its own, a process without competitors, when it comes to its ability to form such models.

So where is the problem? These are observations that not only essentially everyone agrees with, but practically EVERYONE eagerly embraces, most notably in tasting the sweet fruits of science, such as modern civilization.

However religion, a model with no demonstrable predictive utility, remains prevalent within mankind.

The bizarre thing is that all these people who engage in religion must realize what a good model looks like as they use them everyday of their life. Convergent models with predictive capability are the good one... the ones they chose to use. Yet still, peculiarly, these folks still embrace religion which is evidently divergent with no demonstrable predictive utility.

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[ciaochowbella]

@YamiYami17 Yes, I am asking the same question because you're not answering it. You're answering around it, changing the subject and dodging the issue.

How can I respect you if you refuse to respect me enough to answer my sincere, honestly asked question?

Once again, what EXACTLY makes the Quran so special?

[YamiYami17]

@ciaochowbella You are asking the same questions over and over and i'm answering them over and over,you want us to turn in circles ? if so then i think we should stop at this point,i hope our difference in opinion does not spoil the relation of respect between us :))

Hope you the best ~

[ciaochowbella]

@YamiYami17 If you don't want people to mention the Bible, then YOU shouldn't mention it.

[ciaochowbella]

@YamiYami17 It's not miraculous.

Also, you need to stop with trying to use videos to make your point. If you don't know why it's special without resorting to the words and thoughts of others, then it's apparently not that special.

Surely something that was truly divine would be more spectacular and amazing, easier to translate, easier to comprehend and non-contradictory.

The Quran is not special. It's not even good writing from a literary POV.

[ciaochowbella]

@YamiYami17 Hold up. Now you're just lying outright.

Atheists do "believe in" sadism as something that does exist as a concept. It has nothing to do with homosexuality. Are you implying that homosexuals are sadistic? If so, you are most horribly wrong.

And it doesn't matter if homosexuality is a choice or genetically based. They don't hurt anyone with it. Religion is most definitely a choice and people use it as a reason to hurt others CONSTANTLY.

[ciaochowbella]

@YamiYami17 Your examples of why the Quran is supposedly special or exhalted or whatever don't prove your assertion. I simply do not see the superiority or special qualities.

Also, I asked for specific reasons why the Quran is special, not video links. If you can't provide the reasons, just admit it. Surely something so divine would be OBVIOUSLY divine.

And you're still avoiding the initial assertion that Islam has not given anything to humanity for over 500 years.

[YamiYami17]

@Helge129 I'm not talking about the bible but about the Qur'an,i hope you saw my vid.

Also a gave the evidence for my religion to be the truth in fact islam is the religion for all the prophets,if you want to talk about the bible you need to speak with a cristian.

[Helge129]

@YamiYami17 The Bible is also senseless and incoherent, and incompatible with reality. All gods are fairytales, and Allah, Yahweh and any other omnipotent god, cannot exist.

[YamiYami17]

@Helge129 Ok here a half of the chapter "marry" /watch?v=xbFOD7Rjr-w which explain the story of jesus peace be upon him and what really happend, a story you don't find even in the bible!

See for yourself if you can understand the story (words,combination of words,meaning)

This chapter made many many christians ( priests and ministers ) convert to the real teachings of jesus peace be upon him.

[Helge129]

@YamiYami17 The qur'an is senseless, incoherent ramblings of primitive goatfanciers.