Commentary on Stauros (in English & German)

Audio gotten from here:
http://wissen.dradio.de/index.38.de.html?dram:article_id=3664&dram:pos=2&...

Can get the dissertation here:
http://gupea.ub.gu.se/handle/2077/22126

Articles by group of Christians who already understood this knowledge here:
http://www.watchtower.org/e/200604a/article_01.htm

http://www.watchtower.org/e/bh/appendix_05.htm

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[dunklaw]

Please see:-

companion-bible . com

The relevant PDF is :-

companion-bible . com / CBPdffiles / 60%20Appendixes%20D%20164-227 . pdf

The subject is covered in appendixes 162,163 & 164.

[IvanDefendingTruth]

@dunklaw Thanks for the links. Another point worth considering is Josephus' commentary on Esther 5:14, 6:4, and 7:9,10 where the LXX uses 'Xylon', but Josephus uses 'Stauros.' It appears, then, that to Josephus Xylon and Stauros were synonymous. Any lexicon will state that xylon is a tree, pole or stake..therefore it is logical to assume that for Josephus a 'stauros' was a tree, pole or stake. That is why I feel that's the original, unblemished definition of 'stauros' in the 1st century.

[Sabianfan]

Excellent video Ivan. The WT has been right about "stauros" for so many years (already since 1936!). It's good that this Gunnar Samuelson also took the time to do some good research on the topic, and he's not the only one. More information is coming out now...

By the way, the host's voice is in German, I'm sure because I'm Dutch, lol.

May Jah bless!

[EdM021]

Except maybe in Josephus and Polybius (and I'm not too sure that those two meant "crucify" either), the verb stauroun meant: to pile-drive; to impalisade; or, for executions, to impale a person."

And i found out the Latin phrases cruci figere, cruci affigere and cruci suffigere sometimes definitely meant "to impale."

[Galmozzi99]

The Non-Christian Cross by J.D Parsons

A 19th Century writer with no Scholarly credentials. Believed that Jehovah was a myth created by the Hebrews and patterned after the Babylonian Sun God. He also believed most of the accounts in the Bible were also based on pagan mythology including the creation account, the flood, and the shape of the cross.

He promoted Spiritualist practices such as psychic powers and also disputed the Authorship of Shakespeare's plays.

[shihtzufizzers]

I saw a program once where a scientist was trying to understand why Jesus died so quickly if on a cross. timing was off. but If you put hands above the head. the torture would be more intense, therefore leading to a quicker death. and the timing was correct. interesting program I saw. + saw another show which brought up in the 1700's a monk found a parchmant stating Jesus did not die on a cross. He took to the catholic leaders & they told him never to mention again. then he turned to a occult.

[Lekozza]

Ivan, l have just been reading an article about this. You may of already seen it, but I'll pm it to you anyway.

Thanks.

[dunklaw]

@howdytheresir Please see:-

falunhr . org / index . php?option=content&task=view&i­d=1318&Itemid=0

The 6 minuet rule is completely erroneous!

[howdytheresir]

@IvanDefendingTruth Also noteworthy,the numbers in the Israelite camps surrounding the temple when gathered on all 4 sides formed a perfect cross.I heard that in a sermon and it stuck with me.Also,research laminin.;-)Not "proof" of anything,but interesting.

[howdytheresir]

@IvanDefendingTruth That doesn't mean a crossbeam wasn't added to the "pole"..You know medical experts have concluded that had he been hung from a stake with no crossbeam that he would've died of asphyxiation within 6 minutes.Jesus did not do this.He lived for hours on the cross.Impossible for him had he been hanged the way the WT says,again,acc to medical experts.

[dunklaw]

Or see them here:-

angelfire . com / nv / TheOliveBranch / list . html