Dennett - Consciousness Explained
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He doesn't 'explain' consciousness. He can't, the science hasn't reached an explanation of the phenomenon yet. What he's expounding here is his opinion, based on his personal experience (therein lies the rub). His mission appears to be to point out how boring and mundane our mental process is. Dont listen. Be something amazing, spectacular - surreal. You might as well. You're only here the once -
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@fishybishbash see a small portion of that painting at any one time in enough detail to really scrutinize it. This small portion of the visual field is called the fovea. The reality is that only a very small part of our visual field is relatively high fidelity. The rest is piecemeal constructions which use a lot more brain power than eye power. Scientists, philosophers and laymen alike will bloat consciousness. This causes a larger explanatory gap in their conception than which really exists.
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If I understand you correctly, you are expounding an opinion based on your own personal experience and ego-centered biases. Dennett is actually saying that we imagine that our sensory perceptions are more comprehensive than actuality demonstrates. In that, he is correct.
If you are saying that we should make the most of our brief visit, then I agree. However, by definition, we cannot *all* be amazing or spectacular.
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@vandeha Yes, it's called Natural Selection.
People don't care if their minds are 'boring and finite' as Dennett puts it. What people don't like the idea of is the notion that the universe/ existence is boring and finite. Well, its not boring, not in my experience, anything but and consciousness has everything to do with the way in which we experience and interact with our environment at a psycholgical level. So to intimate that consciousness is mundane and banale strikes me as being at best disingenuous.
fishybishbash 1 year ago
@fishybishbash
I would agree that many people don’t care about the facts or the truth. Those are the people who want to imagine themselves to be something wonderful and spectacular. They do this out of an egocentric psychological need to imagine themselves as special.
I suggest that you watch the video again. Dennett is talking about the *processes* that underly our consciousness. He is not saying that the universe is boring (it is finite, however).
EvolvedAtheist 1 year ago
@EvolvedAtheist He definitely IS saying that. His standpoint seems to be that any notion of the 'fantastic' in relation to the mechanics of the universe is childish and deluded, to be discouraged. That position is entirely informed by his subjective experience and has only an oblique relationship to the 'facts' and the 'truth', neither of which the scientific community is in full possession of, as you well know. But we're getting there - and the closer we get, the more incredible it becomes.
fishybishbash 1 year ago 3
@fishybishbash
No. You are misinterpreting what he said. You appear to be doing this in light of your own subjective experiences.
If the scientific community is not yet able to fully explain how 10^14, mindless, depolarizing-repolarizing-depolarizing robots generate *awareness* of the external world, then nobody else possesses an explanation.
The clue lies in complexity. It is complexity that converts mundane processed into the incredible. Fact is more fantastic than simplistic fantasies.
EvolvedAtheist 1 year ago
@EvolvedAtheist Well I completely agree with your last point (although I would say that the phenomenon of fantasy is very much a fact!) and also that the relationship between complexity and statistical chance is very hard to grasp and is probably the basis for the physical universe. I admit that my own experience informs my ideas on these matters, also that science is the only chance we have of establishing the truth. Thanks for replying - consciousness eh, makes you think doesn't it...
fishybishbash 1 year ago
@fishybishbash
"phenomenon of fantasy ... fact"
As is the phenomenon of concepts, in general. It is amazing how many people muddle conceptualization with physical existence!
The brain is complex, but its complexity is not governed by "statistical chance". Random firing characterizes grand mal epileptic seizures, and they render the person unconscious.
Experience informs all ideas. I think that the trick is to try to dissect out our emotional biases as much as possible ... and think ;)
EvolvedAtheist 1 year ago