Riz Khan - Palestinian 'Right to returm' - 13 May 08 - Part1

As part of a special series on the anniversary of the creation of Israel we ask waht is the fate of Palestinian refugees that now number nearly five million? Riz hosts a debate between Dr. Arnon Soffer, an Israeli geostrategist, and Dr. Johnny Mansour, a Palestinian-Israeli historian.

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@Englishdosser86 3:israel offered the arafat in 2000 a retret from 93% of judea and samaria,.a partial return of the refugess,and joint control over the holly sites,and full control over arab neigberhoods in jerusalem.what was the arabs response?blowing them slef in israeli busses and resturants massacreing thousans of innocent isralei civilians.israle made anothe roffer like thta in 2008,but the arsb said no.

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@Englishdosser86 2:after the british mandat was over in 1948,the arans attacked israel.jordan occpied judea and samaria and annexed it in 1950.no country beside englanda nd pakistan acknowldg it,though the *palestinains* did.even the arab leoug didnt acknowlged that annexation,so jordan didnt had sovergnity there,and when israel libareted it in 1967,it simply took over what was appointed for it to get from the 1922 conevtion.israel is the undeniblae sovergnity of judea and samaria.

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@Englishdosser86 1:judea and samaria are the center of israel,there is no way it can be called an occupaied terotory by israel.it was occupeid with rest of all of israel,by forginers,for 1800 years,and now its back in the hand sof ist legal owners.the jews.

also,the san remo convention from 1922,thats its decesion is acknowld in artical 80 of the un chater,make the jews right to re-settel,and live freely and independenlty in all of the west bank of the jordan river...

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@Englishdosser86 7:but before napoleon retreted fom israel, he battle acre,which was defende by al ajzar and and its defence was mastered by haim parchi,that oredered the buiding of a second wall,bahaind the first wall.when the french troops finaly break in the first wall they were shoked to find another one and gave up the battle.its amasing that a smal city in nowhere stoped the great napoleon.thats why he wanted the jews on his side..

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@Englishdosser86 7:its intertsting that napoleon didnt address the *palestinians* to rebel against the otomans,but ratyher the jews,the *legal owners of palestine*a she said.any how,after what happended in gzaa and jaffa,the jews didnt realy belived napoleon,though they toatly impresed,since they are praying for that for more then 1700 years.the muslims though take that seiusly and punish the jews and beat them in jerusalem.after napoleon retreted a massacre of jews in the galil occured...

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@Englishdosser86 6:al jazars main ministe was jaim parchi ,leader of the jews in israel and syria,and he helped the many jews that returned from rusian and poland to settle in safed and tiberia,since in jerusalem they couldnt dwell yet becouse of the arab ban.

in 1799 napoleon invaded israel from the south,the jews of gaza fled the city and never return.the jerusalem jews were almost massaceed by themulsim beocuse of napoleon declaration of his support of a revive of the jewish state in israel

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@Englishdosser86 5:from the middel of the 18 cnetury,jews returned to israel annulay,the otom,as tried to profit from that by arrenging the ships and they heavly taxed the jews in israel.up until 1775,dar el omar ,the freind of the jews,got into trubles with the otomans for his supprt of the egyptian rebelion and found his death.after him,alabanian rulers control the land from acre,though only nablus,the city of the syrians,wasnt in thier hands.

ackmad al jazar,the tax colector of sidon...

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@Englishdosser86 4:how ever dispte the jews beiong aquze to live onnly 4 holly cities,jerusalem,hebron,safed and tiberias,though tiberias was destroyed since 1670,and jews also lived in gaza and nablus and some othje rviliges in the galil,it was a time that gretah sages north afrrican and east europe returned to israel,many of them hasidut scholars and kabala students.

in 1740,the jew lobing bedoi tax colector for the otomans,daar al omar,allowed the jews to rebuild tiberias,acrfemand haifa.

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@Englishdosser86 3:the 18 cnetuey started with a wave of jews returning tio israel from east europe but the were oppresed by the aarb sin jerusalem until in 1722 the arabs band europian jews from living in jerusalem,thoug mmany continue to do so discusing them self as spanish jews.

jerusalem jews suffered alot from then muslim governers in the 18 century.their synagoge was destrioyed,heavey taxes were imposed on them,and peole were kidnaped for ransom both in jeruslaem and in hebron.

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@Englishdosser86 i can tell you alot about the 18 century.most of the fathers of the *palestinians* werent yet living in israel at that time,they stil lived in egypt,albania,north aftrica and sudan at atht time.how ever,durinng the 17 and 18 century there was a large imigration of syrian to the nablus area,like the tokan,nimris,jarar and of cousrse,the kudwa family,that from it yasser arraft came.they went to gaza.

in the 18 century the jews in israel started to recover from the 17 century .