Re: The Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See

Milton Friedman on Self Interest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPqdRqacpFk

Bjorn Lamborg
http://reason.tv/video/show/621.html

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[MomSaysImCool]

I kind of agree that wonderingmind42's argument isn't so great, but I one big objection to this video; we ARE certain that we're heading for a brick wall, there is no debate!

[HiFiSmith]

@MomSaysImCool "we're heading for a brick wall, there is no debate!"

Actually, there is a debate. If for no other reason, the fact that I'm willing to debate it means there is. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of people didn't have an Armageddon view of global warming so then what? Adapt!

[MomSaysImCool]

@HiFiSmith I'm not talking about an Armageddon view of climate change; I do think Humanity will survive this crisis. But I think that there is going to be a lot of war and a lot of suffering if we don't try and cut emissions down fast. As for the debate point, no, it doesn't means diddly-squat that YOU are still interested in debate, you're not a climate scientist. The overwhelming scientific consensus is in; global warming is real, we're doing it, we could prevent it, but it's getting bad.

[bamaedgecore]

love your argument

[jgrimsl1]

Great argument, though, I always enjoy a good debate.

[jgrimsl1]

the intervention of man vs what has happened.

However, I am still somewhat skeptical like youself. But I believe that swithcing to alternative non-poluting energy sources (i.e. Hydrogen, electric, cold fusion etc..) will serve a two fold prupose. 1 - Stop are dependence on forigen source of energy with unstable governments in control. 2 - If global warming is occuring (no matter the rate) then we will stop it from creating any disaster. The first I believe is more important right now.

[jgrimsl1]

We sure do agree, you sound like a Ron Paul supporter. I agree that the agerave citizen needs to do alot of digging like yourself to uncover the thruth. I too am skeptical and have been since the start. However, there were a few pieces of info that really got me thinking. 1 - the correlation between CO2 and temperature over the past thousands of years. 2 - The CO2 ppm pre-industrial, now and during the last massive global warming event. 3 - What global models predict will happen without

[HiFiSmith]

I see we agree on all of that. The problem with "the truth" is that a lot of the data on weather effects and currents don't make it to the populace. As I dig more, I become more and more skeptical of the threat and even far more skeptical of the proposed solutions.

I hated the politicizing of the issue too, and as a small-gov't person, I still supported the claims of GW alarmists. But like I said, the more I dig into the subject, the less I'm willing to identify it as a threat.

[jgrimsl1]

I aboslutly do not condone confiscation of private property and enslavement of citizens via taxation. Im glad oil companies are doing work in alternative energies and I too support the voluntary efforts over the solialist efforts (government facilitated). We agree there. What I don't like is the misinformation on this topic. If this topic was less politicalized then more people would see the truth - whatever that may be. Then the consumer cold truly dictate development not special interest.

[HiFiSmith]

Preparing for the worse is a good idea, but not if it means confiscation of private property and enslavement of citizens via taxation. I work closely with an oil company and I know they're doing work in alternative energies. These voluntary efforts are the only ones I will support.