Well, for several reasons. A Christian answers the question.
A presentation of P-Dunn's Apologetics.
http://brainisignorant.blog... - Refutation of GodIsImaginary.com.
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Christians further express their rejection of this notion in their sympathy towards others. If all suffering were just this sympathy would not be just. Any attempt to alleviate someone of this suffering would be to interfere with the very justice of God. So despite what Christians say in the context of apologetics Christians acknowledge in their hearts that much of the suffering in this world is undeserved and not caused by any particular persons freewill. So the challenge stands.
Christianity says God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving. This should mean that God is both capable and willing to help people. However this does not take place. Some might say that this happens because people deserve all the suffering they are in enduring. However many Christians criticize this belief when in the context of Karma or any beliefs other than their own. So Christians dont really believe that.
I shall also address the question of what an Atheist means by good and bad. What the Atheist means is what is considered to be good and bad by the standards of the religion under scrutiny. The purpose in adopting the standards of the religion under scrutiny is to expose that the religion makes claims that are not logically consistent with one another.
I would also like to add on to my comments about what we mean by good and bad. Despite the claim that only theists can make sense of morality, there are several ways of determining morality. Indirect Utilitarianism and Categorical Imperative are two ways of doing this. I would recommend Being Good by Simon Blackburn for any Atheists out there looking for a solid basis for their ethics.
Furthermore if God is omniscient than freewill cant exist or it is at the very least redundant. How can one say we make choices when somebody already knows for a fact what choice we will make? If they already know our choice than our choice is predetermined. Therefore freewill does not exist in any meaningful sense if God exist.
The free will argument has already been refuted several times. Not every form of suffering is a result of sin and this apologist is already aware of that. Why do young children die of cancer? Is it because someone caused them to have cancer? No of course not. Why do floods kill thousands? Is it because somebody really evil is controlling the weather? No of course not. I think it is also noteworthy that some Christians don't believe in free will.
grandclosing, if it is a fact that you will choose a particular thing, how is it possible for you to never choose that particular thing?
If you will never choose a particular thing, how is it possible for you to choose that particular thing?
If you will sometimes choose a particular thing, and other times not choose that particular thing, how is it possible for you to never choose that particular thing or aways choose that particular thing?
"If a robber tells you to put the money in the bag, you can still say no and risk getting shot, but most likely you'll do as he says. This is still your will to live."
But can I say no and risk getting shot if I have a will to live?
"I can't think of any possible example in which free will is not present."
Then you have no free will to think that it is present.
This was really good! I like how you said that were NOT punished everytime we do something bad cause if we were, we would have terrible lives. A really good way of putting it!
Well if you keep defining something self-contradictory, what's the point.
If there is free will then the concept of an omniscient god is nonsense. You can't have both. Full stop.
But you've already admitted this concept is not understandable. So your whole position is incoherent make-believe.
"Basically even if God determines, he determines infinitely and therefore does not limit free will" This makes absolutely no sense. More contradictory nonsense from you.
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If you will never choose a particular thing, how is it possible for you to choose that particular thing?
If you will sometimes choose a particular thing, and other times not choose that particular thing, how is it possible for you to never choose that particular thing or aways choose that particular thing?
But can I say no and risk getting shot if I have a will to live?
"I can't think of any possible example in which free will is not present."
Then you have no free will to think that it is present.
If there is free will then the concept of an omniscient god is nonsense. You can't have both. Full stop.
But you've already admitted this concept is not understandable. So your whole position is incoherent make-believe.
"Basically even if God determines, he determines infinitely and therefore does not limit free will"
This makes absolutely no sense. More contradictory nonsense from you.