And Can It Be that I Should Gain
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This song is an expression of the orthodox Arminianism of the Wesleys. Some Arminians depart from historical, orthodox Arminianism and become semi- or full-blown Pelagians, but neither Arminius himself nor the Wesley brothers taught anything of the sort. Arminianism does not teach that humanity is not under Adam's curse or that we can save ourselves by our own efforts, our own wisdom, etc. The quickening ray that Wesley talks about is God's prevenient grace without which no-one could be saved.
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dooh. you missed out the last verse which is (theologically) the most important
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i would like to know what is calvanistic about this song.
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a very amazing song .. :D
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@Shockwave474 ...So I believe there is good reason to hope that a lot more people will be in heaven than it generally supposed. :) I mean, it's not like God is looking for ways to keep people OUT - He is looking for excuses to LET PEOPLE IN!! :)
But it's still all because of what Jesus did for us on the Cross. Without the staggering grace of God in that, none of us would have a hope. I'm just saying that I believe that grace is BIGGER than I used to think. :)
Hope this helps you, mate. :)
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@Shockwave474 ...And I'm absolutely convinced that there's a lot more to it than just 'hearing the Gospel'. I am sorry to say that there are a lot of peeps out there who claim to 'preach the Gospel' but live a life full of arrogance and hate - quite contrary to the Gospel.
If a person rejects what is presented by those people, that is not the same as rejecting the Gospel. They have never really had a chance to ACCEPT the Gospel, because they have never really seen it presented...
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@Shockwave474 Yes, Christians do have great pain about that.
Personally, I have become what is known as a 'wider hope' person. Don't get me wrong - I still believe absolutely that everyone who gets to heaven gets there because of what Jesus did for us!! But my understanding now is that everyone will be judged by the light they received.
Romans 2:12-16 seems to indicate that people who don't know about God's plan of salvation will be judged by what they did with what they DID know...
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@Shockwave474 indeed salvation and reconciliation between God and man are made possible only through the death and resurrection of Jesus. Christians have been actively preaching the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ for the past 2,000 years.
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@NB3K That's not Calvinistic.
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Okay, I just gotta say this thought that keeps occurring to me—supposing salvation is achieved through Jesus, but you have friends who don't follow Jesus. That has got to hurt! I don't know how you people could possibly deal with that kind of pain.
Sometimes things don't change but the perspective can.
May God comfort the reader as the comfort of God embraces us in various ways and at various times. I had a challenge opening up the hall today, then the chains fell off the padlock. My friend mentioned her dying mother had uttered those words 'my chains fell off' - what a reminder of God's grace in Christ for all and how the Holy Spirit speaks comfort through surprising incidents.
smca17021967 2 years ago 18
i love this hymn too :) i've been looking for this everywhere ty reelworship :D
vazined 2 years ago 7