Bankers Love Socialism -- Professor Antony Sutton
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Lol. I was waiting for the moment you were going to push communitarianism, all the neo-platonist, "rousseaunian" thing. One guesses...
You know, socialism is such a stagnant, obscurantist, neo-medieval system, that even fanatics like HG Wells had to admit it would never subsist in the presence of alternatives.
You might want to try reading the letters and writings of the Founding Fathers, for their ideas on society, and specifically on slavery. You'll have a surprise or two..
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@LibertyTruthJustice The -ism I've found least exploitative is libertarian socialism.
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@LibertyTruthJustice The "Founding Fathers" weren't middle-class citizens and their idea of fairness and social justice included slavery. In a truly democratic society, everyone shares power and wealth. Any system which rationalizes an inequality of wealth and power is not democratic, it's fundamentally exploitative.
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"Capitalism is fundamentally exploitative"
Tell me which "-ism" isn't fundamentally exploitative.
But that's exactly why you need a *middle class form of free market*, where power is distributed, the citizenry is alert, conscious and has a deep moral sense, a conscience.
It's the fairest and most balanced way to have a complex society, and this was acknowledged even in the time of the Founding Fathers.
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@LibertyTruthJustice I basically agree with what you're saying, but with the realization of the inherent immorality of capitalism. Sutton probably wasn't a 'bad' guy; he just didn't understand capitalism is fundamentally exploitative. While it's admirable to speak out against injustice, it's also important to acknowledge the cancer.
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Capitalism, the middle class free market, has been dead for decades. What you have, and was created by monopoly capitalists, is a command and control societal and commercial system. A monopoly cartel system.
The name for this is Fabian Socialism, akin to fascism. It's not middle class capitalism -- what Sutton defended. He actually wanted people like you to prosper as independent middle class, instead of being a wage slave for some govt-protected corporation. Bad of him heh?
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@LibertyTruthJustice You don't have to read his books to see he has a bias for capitalism.
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Yes, Prof. Sutton denounced the predatory tactics of monopoly capitalists, of using groups of pirates like the communist and socialist movements, to take over societies and establish monopolies, and command and control systems. On that we agree.
But now you're attacking him for supposedly "having a bias" towards the same people he denounced? Now, in what Antony Sutton book did you get that from, would you mind telling me?
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@LibertyTruthJustice Just because Sutton detailed Wall Street's involvement in the Bolshevik Revolution, in order to destroy Russia as an economic competitor and turn into a captive market and a colony to be exploited by a few high-powered American financiers and the corporations under their control, doesn't justify the inherent immorality of capitalism in which those with capital exploit those who don't. Like most people, Sutton can't see his own bias.
@Arondeus
My definition of socialism isn't mine at all, it comes from its original founders: Hegel, Simon, Comte, and so forth. Sutton started by subscribing to the fairy tale notion, but then dispelled it, through the rigorous study of history and praxis.
Wherever you find 'workers revolution', and 'socialist solidarity', in the last 200 years, you have a clique of socialists, sponsored by the highest bankers, wrecking their country and then loaning it out in monopoly contracts to the banks...
LibertyTruthJustice 9 months ago 9
@Arondeus
The best, more honest definition of socialism was given by its founders, people like Hegel and Saint-Simon. What was/is meant by socialism is a system by which society is standardized and organized as an efficient, technocratic machine. It is to be run by bankers and technicians, for these ideologues.
So, that's the history of the Soviet Union, China is there to copy it, and so are all the other communist, and socialist systems. But they always invent nice myths, to recruit followers.
LibertyTruthJustice 9 months ago 7