Re: "Zeitgeist: Addendum" (AzraelsJudgement)

I made a video on October 08, 2008 titled "You Decide"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2vjPIUOV9k
This was a challenge to my then 50 subscribers to let me know what they wanted me to make videos about.

I got a few comments, TBH they were a lot more hardcore than I was expecting, but they were also ones that I absolutely wanted to address at some point.

I started working on them right away, however these were not questions that you just whip up a response to, so a few weeks later I'd cobbled up some decent notes at least.

This is obviously the easiest of the comments to respond to. Via AzraelsJudgement
http://www.youtube.com/AzraelsJudgement
"If you have watched or do watch the new zeitgeist movie that would be cool to see your perspective on it."

This is my response:

TRANSCRIPT:

Yes I have watched the new zeitgeist movie. Initially I found it to be both profoundly uplifting and depressing at the same time, mainly because it expressed and reinforced one of my core beliefs in a very articulate way; namely the ideology that human intelligence and ingenuity are capable of transcending all obstacles if only given the opportunity to do so.

The paradox nested within this optimistic viewpoint, is that in order to realize our potential, we are also forced to acknowledge and confront the striking failures of civilization, made under the same basic conditions over many millennia. This suggests to me that humans are not collectively in control of their own fate. If any significant changes are to occur to the human condition, they will be organic (developing in a manner analogous to the natural growth and evolution characteristic of living organisms) rather than self-directed.

The video also did a great job of pointing out how humanity is its own worst enemy. Recognizing the painful truth that we are in fact responsible for the vast majority of the problems that we now face as a species. This behavioral characteristic transcends all social and philosophical boundaries, another indication that humanity is subject to primal directives far more powerful than our collective consciousness.

Reading between the lines my own personal interpretation of the video is that advancement of any kind requires a certain leap of faith; no matter what our original intentions might be, there is simply no way to predict the outcome with any certainty. Meaning that we must at some point make the choice to dismantle one establishment and replace it with another, all without any real assurance that the results will improve our lives.

Arguably this is also the essence of the human genius, the innate ability to intuitively transform energy to meet our demands in a beneficial way. In a word: reinvention. God may not play dice with the universe, but we do, and with each new roll, humanity has another chance to lose everything or hit the jackpot. However just like any gambling addict, our resources (the ecosystem) are not infinite, if we run out of money before we strike it rich, the game is over.

One of the other questions I got in response to my "You Decide" video will segue nicely into this thread, because basically you can't have this kind of discussion without debating the value of technology. Which may be humanity's "Ace in the Hole" or our ultimate undoing. Expect to see that video up soon.

Additional Relevant Links:

Zeitgeist: Addendum Video (02:03:07)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

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[upabittoolate]

has anyone seen that zeitgeist debunked site? i'm asking because an entire story predicated on a logical fallacy is fundamentally flawed. dig conspiracyscience (.) com & tell me what you think

[neotoy]

The info you cite is incomplete, Edward L. Winston only covers the first part of the movie.

Regardless, I think the general consensus is that the movie presents a lot of consciousness expanding ideas. It's obviously biased and the facts presented are debatable, but that doesn't lessen the psychological value of the subjective content. Note, I am in no way promoting this film.

Maybe you could elaborate on your "logical fallacy" statement? Anything specific?

[upabittoolate]

there are 3 parts. did you check out the url? i guess what i'm saying is that the movie, like any media of communication, whether it's designed to advertise, transmit data, share, be propaganda, builds on a premise. i guess what i'm saying about logical fallacy is something similar to a bad keystone, weak framing beam or house of cards. i'll suspend my belief but if something is flawed in the thetical part, all of its support isn't much good...to me, that is

[neotoy]

Yes there are 3 parts, but only the first contains information, the other two are "update pending".

My view on information in general is that it is all inherently neutral and subjective. So I don't advocate taking action based on external sources. Each person should decide for themselves what is relevant and real, nothing should ever be taken at face value.

[upabittoolate]

in short, i take everything i hear with a grain of salt. 911 being an inside job takes a supreme suspension of belief because it presupposes that this gov't is well coordinated enough to pull that shit off & kill 8000 of its own people in its greatest city in process. i need to re-watch the addendum to the original but i must admit that it all smacks of anti-semitism. I HATE RACISM & i don't care what group is targeted it's always wrong. but that's just my read

[neotoy]

I also condemn racism. Furthermore the concept of race itself is in my opinion, wholly contrived. In anthropological terms humans are far too similar to be viewed as different because of something as negligible as our cosmetic characteristics.

As for 9/11, since all the evidence was bulldozed under the carpet before a proper investigation could be conducted.. we are only left with idle speculation.

[googoobh]

Finally some one I agree with. Zeitgeist does have a slanted view , as does any documentary like movie, but it still raises many really great questions. I love this movie , not because I take it all at face value , but because it is a decenting view that states something is really wrong here and maybe it is time we really thought it out.

[AzraelsJudgement]

Humanity is definitely its own worst enemy. We are on top of the world and yet we destroy it and each other instead of letting the world be sane. I like your rolling the dice comparison.

Great analysis.

[upabittoolate]

...i digress. that's 1 of my problems with zeitgeist. i don't know about the MJ12's existence but everything should be taken with a healthy degree of skepticism. especially if the author starts loving into nietzsche & klotz territory. i kinda get that sense with mr joseph's work...but that's just me

[upabittoolate]

you should have been around when jim watson (who didn't really discover the double helix) said that subsaharran africans were condemned because they were genetically less intelligent. or when that crackpot harvard professor praised eugenics. or when these assholes on youtube try to attach race to IQ...

[upabittoolate]

fair enough. but when they start blaming the original bankers, they're talking about jews. he built on that. that's wrong to me