Music Education Extinction
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@Danzona40 Of course, nobody wants to "attend a concert where most of the kids played like hacks." But, if school music ensembles played slightly less challenging material, which would make some class time available for teaching music appreciation, the students, the parents, and the administrators would NOT know the difference. Only the music educators would know the difference. The problem is that music educators are obsessed with what other music educators think and nothing else.
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@Danzona40 Yes. I agree. Kids are "bombarded daily by media images of solo rock artists and indie bands". This is why it is more important than ever for instrumental music educators to teach respect and appreciation for instrumental music to their students. Music educators are teaching their students ONLY what they need to know in order to perform well at concerts and festivals. This is why instrumental music outside of schools is dead and instrumental music education is dying.
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@Danzona40 Ahhh...somebody finally noticed the Rush reference. I have heard the "demands of our administrators" argument many, many times. In 30 years of first-hand personal experience with music education, I have never even heard of a music educator losing his position because of poor competitive performance. Even if it has happened, it is an extremely rare occurrence. This argument is just a way for music educators to justify their endless obsession with beating each other.
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Always interesting to listen to discussions about music education.
CBC the main radio broadcasting station in Canada used to air mosty Classical music but over the years reduced the Classical segment to just a few hours a day replaced by other popular forms of music.
Children's TV programs tend to promote popular music over something old-fashioned for ad revenue. Parents enroll their kids in private music instructions what they see as discipline.
Uploaded keyboard playing videos.
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Thus, it falls to us to encourage kids to make music in the organizations we have, where we are in constant competition with that same mass media that sells the lie that everyone can be a star, and everyone can sing pro, play in the NFL, and get accolades for themselves - when the POINT of making music in a band, orchestra or choir is do do it TOGETHER and do it WELL, so that others will WANT to listen. Would YOU want to attend a concert where most of the kids played like hacks?
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While I can see your point (and great handle, btw, have you always been a Rush fan?) - I would argue simply that there is not a clear way to satisfy the demands of our administrators and keep our jobs, and simultaneously encourage kids to take up instruments and play in a concert band. Kids are bombarded daily by media images of solo rock artists and indie bands, none of whom could describe what a French horn or an oboe is, let alone play one.
Ultimately, I would argue that I don't disagree our system of education is the problem - but I don't believe that any music educators in our country are intentionally devaluing music education for the sake of competition - quite the contrary, in fact. My colleagues nationwide are very interested in helping each of our students learn to love music through the challenge of instrumental performance - but the sad fact is our administrators and in many cases, our communities - don't understand it.
Danzona40 1 month ago
@Danzona40 I also do not believe that music educators are INTENTIONALLY devaluing music education for the sake of competition. They just don't realize how bad things are. Instrumental music is almost completely extinct in the U.S. outside of government funded institutions. There is little, if any, interest in instrumental music in the real world, even from former instrumental music students. The problem is that students do not learn to love music by simply playing musical instruments.
moderndaywarriorAZ 1 month ago
The reality is that as music educators who wish to survive in the modern public education construct, we must perform to the satisfaction of people paid to assess us from a position of ignorance, in many cases. Achievement demonstrates success; non-achievement communicates failure. The person who makes the most difference to a student is the one who can communicate to them the difference between competing for a rating and making great music - and who can teach them how to do both at once.
Danzona40 1 month ago
@Danzona40 If "achievement demonstrates success" for music educators, then I suppose an educator's ensembles must score well at music festivals to demonstrate success. But, who are the judges at those festivals? Answer: current and former music educators. So, music educators are forcing each other to spend all of their class time preparing for performances and no class time teaching students music appreciation. Music "educators" are doing it to themselves and music education is dying.
moderndaywarriorAZ 1 month ago
I think this is a load of bullcrap. Check your sources. If it's that bad where you live, I feel sorry for you. I hope your outlook changes soon. If you're somewhat of an advocate for music education, you would be posting videos on how music education benefits this nation, not whatever personal issues you may have come across thru experience.
johnny52013 5 months ago 4
@johnny52013 The "personal issues" I have come across through 30 years of experience are that instrumental music in the U.S. is dead and instrumental music education is dying and that, instead of trying to save instrumental music education and instrumental music, music educators spend all of their available class time teaching students how to play music and none of their class time teaching students WHY to play instrumental music or WHY to listen to instrumental music. How very sad.
moderndaywarriorAZ 1 month ago