Colgan 3407 NTSB Animation with Sound -

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[broadpath]

The transcripts of the cockpit recorder shows that they were chatting, some even say flirting (at least the pilot was) well below the 10K restriction. Pretty much right up until the nose lifts.

[r1oot]

why the fuck were they pulling up when they were just about to stall and why weren't one of the pilots keeping an eye on the airspeed during the approach especially slowing down close to vref

[Dekka774623]

watch the video again....

the autopilot is trying to maintain 2300ft, when you set 5 deg flap and increase the condition levers the plane slows, the only way the a/c can maintain a set altitude is to pitch up and create more lift, they needed to add power.

Its very easy for us to analyze this from our armchairs, but i know what it is like to fly an instrument approach in IMC, it is much busier than you may think.

[chasedrgc1223]

transcribe audio...

[Shoreisfine]

@masterman3178 NTSB does not release that - only transcripts

[icemachine79]

@georgetemos So that airspeed just as she set the flaps was OK was it? Give us a break. They freaked out because they didn't have their minds on the job. It can happen to anyone. Unfortunately it happened at a particularly bad moment for these pilots.

[masterman3178]

i know this sounds fucked up but i kinda want to here that scream.

[glennjridge]

when something goes wrong there doesnt seem to be any middle ground. you either land or you die...and before you die you have a 3 minute horror ride on the way down.

[blueb0g]

@r1oot Correct But that's the way the pilots were trained. Yeah, they fucked up. You need a lower alpha in a stall; my point is it's understandable how it happened. When a sudden emergency presented itself, foremost in their minds were "ice" because they'd been on the lookout for it, so they fell immediately back to their icing training and unfortunately not their stall training. A knife is only as sharp as you sharpen it; a pilot is only as well trained as an airline trains him/her.

[blueb0g]

@EasternMerchant You have that on Airbus FBW aircraft, and actually even on this aircraft you have that too; it's called the stick pusher, and pushes the stick forward in the event of a stall. Boeing 777's and 787's do this also. However, with ATR, Bombardier and Boeing FBW aircraft the pilots can override what the aircraft is trying to do; they can't do this on an Airbus but that causes problems too.

[blueb0g]

@AF401 Again, the pilots were not trained correctly. They were trained to raise the nose in icing conditions, but were never trained in icing + stall scenarios. Yes, they fucked up, but it's understandable.

[r1oot]

@blueb0g Pulling up; ice or no ice = No chance of recovery

[blueb0g]

@r1oot They were pulling up because that was what they had been trained to do in the event of icing. They hadn't received training in icing + stalls, and were left out in the cold when the accident struck.