What is God starting point - Ravi Zacharias and Michael Ramsden - Who created God?

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Some people ask what is God cause or what cause God? Some natural laws such as cause and effect such cosmological argument are to be discuss.

What is God starting point with Ravi Zacharias and Michael Ramsden

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[college12003]

How is it that this reply cannot also be used for the universe....such that the universe needs no creator because it is infinite?

[HushAndLearn]

@college12003 >>How is it that this reply cannot also be used for the universe....such that the universe needs no creator because it is infinite?

--Because the universe is in decaying process

Regards...

[college12003]

@HushAndLearn Unless the universe decays to a point upon which it collapses into a singularity and creates another big bang, in a cyclical infinity of time.

[HushAndLearn]

@college12003 >>Unless the universe decays to a point upon which it collapses into a singularity and creates another big bang, in a cyclical infinity of time

--Scientists from LHC, clearly knows that the universe have only ONE beginning and that first beginning came from nothingness and you can check that out in Discovery Channel to see how foolish is that statement.

Take care...

[GaryLyons]

@HushAndLearn ....nothing can create itself, whatever exists in the universe, including the universe itself can only be explained in that something outside of itself and eternal and infinite, immaterial and all powerful must have created or it would not exist. Consider the Mona Lisa, its exiostence cannot be explained within itself, the only explanation for its existence is that someone outside of itself, intelligent, created it. God is the Alpha and the Omega.

[HushAndLearn]

@GaryLyons -I obviously agree! Regards.

[stephjh2006]

@HyperionZ619 Your comment is illogical :)

[HyperionZ619]

Universe has always been here. First law of thermodynamics, Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. This disproves ypur god theory for he could not have created the universe, since it's uncreatable. Energy in our universe is not infinite, add up every energy particle and it will be some number. Nothing can exist as an infinite. If god were real, he wouldn't be eternal, he too needs a beginning. The god theory is illogical.

[gschofield1]

@college12003 there is an interesting documentry on the process of ever increasing entropy and the current scientific view on the way that the universe is heading (to a state of infinite entropy, the lowest possible energy state, such that no discernable processes will ever again occur and such time itself cannot even be measured) by Brian Cox: search for 'wonder's of the universe' episode 2 on Iplayer

Kind regards

[Danzaiver01]

the funny thing is that religion is based in faith and nothing else. if there is a god i'm sure it has nothing to do with religions

[JeremiahPTTN]

Simple, only things that have a beginning require a cause. If something has always existed, then it neither has a cause, nor needs a cause. Only that which has a beginning, requires a cause to exist.

[DandBMonk]

@college12003

I'm not tryna be a combatant, but...the only way you can have a noncausality is without time. If you know anything about quantum physics and string theories...time is present in these equations. If you can measure time, then there is no infinity to regress backwards or forwards in. Only something outside of time could explain it's own cause of noncausality where time would never progress, nor regress...the only thing conceivable, IMO is God. Could be wrong, that's why I said IMO

[DandBMonk]

@HushAndLearn

I'd like to add the expansion of the universe as well. It has expanded, and is in decline. There would be no cyclical times in an infinity...you would never progress, thus it would never permit a big bang...only nothing. A big nor even a little bang would ever occur, and neither would this conversation. =)

[college12003]

@BassP86 The supernatural as not committing this fallacy would only be true if God and the supernatural operate outside of basic reason and/or outside of time.