Uploaded by Zeptocomp on Aug 29, 2007
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- All informations come from reports to US congress made by the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) or Lockheed Martin. GAO is known as "the investigative arm of Congress" and "the congressional watchdog" - their job is to keep control on big government projects like the F22.
Google the report-sources given in the video, if you doubt any of the claims, or go to http://www.gao.gov and write the report name in search.
Some of the relevant reports:
2007 - "Assessments of Selected Weapon Programs" - GAO-07-406SP
(read page 87-88 in adope):
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d07406sp.pdf
(Regardless of the claim in the "2001 report" below, the F22 still fly less than 1 hour between maintaince in 2007, and this 2007 report also confirms the 2 structural failures etc.)
June 20, 2006 - Subject: Tactical Aircraft: DOD Should Present a New F-22A Business Case before Making Further Investments
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d06455r.pdf
Read page 5: "In other words, the unit procurement costs increase from $166 million per aircraft to $183 million per aircraft for the proposed multiyear contract."
GAO-04-391 (2004) "F/A-22 Aircraft"
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04391.pdf
read e.g. page 12. "Current processors are old and obsolete, cannot be supported, and do not have sufficient capacity to meet the increased processing demands required for planned new air-to-ground capabilities beyond Global StrikeEnhanced....."
March 2004 - Changing Conditions Drive Need for New F/A-22 Business Case
http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d04391high.pdf
GAO-01-310 (2001) Tactical Aircraft:
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d01310.pdf
(read e.g. 25-26)
" the Air Force estimates that by the end of development, the F-22 will be able to complete 2 flying hours between maintenance actions; and when the F-22 reaches maturity in 2008, F-22s will be able to complete 3 flying hours between maintenance actions. However, currently the flight-test aircraft are completing 0.6 flying hours between maintenance actions. This means that aircraft are now requiring significantly more maintenance than is expected when the system reaches maturity."
Q.E.D.
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Topics for debate (these sources are not used in video):
Premier U.S. Fighter Jet Has Major Shortcomings, July 10, 2009 :
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/09/AR20090709030...
F-22 Continues to 'Abuse Taxpayers,' - August 31, 2007 -
Pierre Sprey, the man who designed the F-16 and A-10 fighters say this: http://www.cdi.org/pdfs/Sprey%20Quarter%20Century.pdf
"The F-16A, as it was in 1986, can whip today's F-22," said Sprey. "You'd think the F-22 would be able to whip some antique." - Read:
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200708/NAT20070831a...
Powerpoint show about the F-22
(James P. Stevenson 2006):
http://www.cdi.org/pdfs/Stevenson%20F-22%20Brief.pdf
F-22 Crashes in Calif. Desert Killing Pilot- read
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/AP-F-22-Crashes-Near-Edwards-Air-Forc...
01/10/07 - "Bomb test flameout nearly crashes F-22"
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/10/01/217306/bomb-test-flameout-nea...
10/21/2007 - "F-22 Raptor's makers knew for 10 years of corrosion problem, which is costing millions to fix at Hill"
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_7236130
January 13, 2005 - Air Force official cites flight software in Nellis crash
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Jan-13-Thu-2005/news/25654033.html
Congressional reseach service on June 12, 2007, page 7:
"The F-22A's average procurement unit cost is estimated at approximately $185.4 million per aircraft." http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RL31673.pdf
Congressional Budget Office before the Subcommittee on AirLand Committee on Armed Services United States Senate on July 25, 2006:
"However, because the F-22A has turned out to be much more expensive than other fighter aircraft— procuring 182 aircraft will cost an average of $185 million per plane" http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/74xx/doc7424/07-25-F-22.pdf
Info-video about stealth:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5291484096194699595
"Design Flaws Force Changes to USAF Raptor", posted Nov. 12 2007:
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=3164095&C=airwar
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Extra: Can be discussed here, since its hard to write alot at YouT..forum:
http://eucitizens.eu/Forum/index.php?topic=166.msg271#msg271
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There's even plans to make the jet transpoarent from the inside using nano tech
TheARMAProductions 3 weeks ago
@FXWorldBeater I checked it out. I suspect it will use a combination of turbo outleets, jet engines and scram jets. EADS are developing a new Concorde (SESTEN 3,5 KAT HIZLI) which will use normal jet engines to take off...Turbo outlets to get to 80/90,000 feet then will use Scram jet to propel the airliner to mach 4.0:
watch?v=hx0cY7WvzTc
They say they'll have a prototype by 2015 altho it will be a few decade before it's in service. They claim to make it 100% carbon neutral too.
TheARMAProductions 3 weeks ago
@TheARMAProductions The F-22's successor....
tinyur l. com/7hlds8q
FXWorldBeater 3 weeks ago
@TheARMAProductions "This is not vulnerable to adverse weather conditions sucha s RAM coatings/VLO"
Modern coatings have no such limitation. The F-35's skin needs no special maintenance and is not degraded by weather, but is as good, if not better than the old F-22 RAM. The last few batches of the F-22 have been fitted with the same coatings and earlier aircraft will be recoated as part of the normal maintenance cycle.
FXWorldBeater 3 weeks ago
@TheARMAProductions "This is not vulnerable to adverse weather conditions sucha s RAM coatings/VLO."
The F-22 uses the same system, just a bit more advanced. The jamming from the EF is just basic radar jamming (which is limitted until the captor is upgraded to aesa). The F-22 uses the ALR-94 RWR which has a high receiver count (by far the highest of any fighter).
A part of an F-22's role when it runs out of missiles is to stay up forward and track enemies passively.
FXWorldBeater 3 weeks ago
@TheARMAProductions As you can see in the diagrammed scenario, the aircraft firing the missiles if not the one the enemy sees...
There are other factors such as...you can't engage a target until you get a track on it (you track its direction and speed). F-22's operating as a wolf pack will takes turns at switching on their radars for a few seconds at a time if needed, and the networked data is combined to piece together the tracks of the enemy fighters.
FXWorldBeater 3 weeks ago
@TheARMAProductions "The VLO jet is likely to get the first lock but as soon as it does it will light up like an Xmas tree"
That's not how things work when the F-22 is used as part of a networked "system". This is how it operates, except, replace the rear F-22 for the new F-15C Golden Eagles.
Zoom the image in to read it...its quite large.
tinyur l. com/7ecb4w8
FXWorldBeater 3 weeks ago
@TheARMAProductions of course its not invisible, but against radars, its obviously better having it than not. Combined with jamming, its much more effective.
Pirate like all IRST's is limitted by the environment. If its cloudy or hazey, it doesn't work. If a supercruising enemy is coming head on and has leading edge active cooling like has been suggested on the F-22, it's range is lessened.
FXWorldBeater 3 weeks ago
Then there's the electronical warfare systems element. Jets such as EF use advanced EWS systems to hide the jet. This tech is used on the B-2 and basically recieved, distorts then sends back the signal slightly out of phase thus hiding the jet. This is not vulnerable to adverse weather conditions sucha s RAM coatings/VLO. Very little is known about the real technology inside these jets which makes it more or less impossible for us to compare really
TheARMAProductions 3 weeks ago
@FXWKeep in mind that VLO is not invisible. It just lowers the RCS. There's massive advancements in infa red tech such as PIRATE that can now detect the heat out to an unconfirmed 100 km. The VLO jet is likely to get the first lock but as soon as it does it will light up like an Xmas tree. The AESA can then jam the BVRAAM. With both jets closing at around 2000 Mph + it won't be long before they get winthin visual and switch to infa red missiles. It's just a different solution to the same problem
TheARMAProductions 3 weeks ago