Rachel Maddow Goes After GOP's justification For Yet Again Another Debt Ceiling Delay - Jan 23, 2013

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[danbuck333]

On the last day of bushs presidency the nation debt clock was at 10.6 trillion this is a simple fact this isnt disputable what you have is factually wrong.....it explains why the rest of your numbers are so off.....cross check it with other sources and will clearly see its wrong

[blueboyblue]

In case, I may have made a mistake, here is the info cut/pasted for the Treasury website -

Obama took office in 2009, the Debt was -

$11,909,829,003,511.75

Bush took office in 2001-

$5,807,463,412,200.06

I'm taking the Debt in the Year they took office. That might slightly skew things. But I'm doing it consistently for each President.

But regardless of the precise numbers, the Conservatives never said a word when Repubs were racking up debt to the tune of a 651% increase in their Admins.

[blueboyblue]

I've all ready posted this down to the LAST PENNY -

When Obama came into office -

$11,909,829,003,511.70

When Bush came into office -

$5,807,463,412,200.06

The Difference -

$6,102,365,591,311.64 (205% increase in National Debt under Bush.)

I have not power to make Blind Men See.

[danbuck333]

I dont know what your reading but every source I have checked including the treasury department states that bushs debt was 4.9 trillion dollars and obamas is 4.7 trillion as of january 2012.....So either your reading it wrong or what you have is factually incorrect....try and check your facts with other sources and you will see your numbers are woefully off

[blueboyblue]

True, you didn't claim it was "Fiscal Conservativism" the the Conservatives did, and I just proved them wrong.

As to your next statement, all I can say is - Step away from the Paint Fume and stop drinking the Kool-Aid. I posted post after post showing you how hopelessly flawed that statement is.

Bush = $6.1 Trillion

Obama = $4.2 Trillion as of Sept 2012.

How can you not get that? This is OFFICIAL Dept of Treasury DATA.

Previous Admins accumulated $12 Tril, Obama added $4 Trill more.

[danbuck333]

I know its not Fiscal Conservatism thats never been my point....my point is that obama is as bad as bush....bush at the end of his presidency had spent more than every other president before him combined now obama has done the same

[blueboyblue]

Adjust for inflation into today's dollars Regan's share is actually $3.5 Trillion (actual $1.86 Tril).

Nixon's share is $566 Billion (actual $122 Bil).

Between the two of them, that is an addition $4 Trillion in functional Debt.

Repubs lower taxes and spend like a drunken college students, then leave it to the Democrats to actually pay their 'Credit Card' debt.

This is NOT Fiscal Conservatism. This is irresponsible Govt.

[blueboyblue]

Just to keep you fully informed. Here it is by President. - Eisenhower(R) = +8.6% Kennedy/Johnson(D) = 22.5% Nixon/Ford(R) = 97.5% Carter(D) = 42.9% Regan(R) = 285.9% G.H.W.Bush(R) = 54.4% Clinton(D) = 31.6% G.W.Bush(R) = 205.1% B.Obama(D) = 34.9% Much of the Debt accumulated by Clinton occurred at the beginning of this administration, while he tried to put the brakes on spending and arranged his moderate tax increase. Not Kennedy/Johnson fought a war & put several men on the moon.

[blueboyblue]

Rather than figuring the increase, let's just figure the amount of the current budget that belongs to each Presidential Party

62% of current Debt came under Republican Administrations.

37% came under Democratic Administrations.

Repubs = $9.9 Trillion

Dems = $5.9 Tril

Yes, Obama added a lot of actual dollars, but he is still behind Bush as of the most recent data available. And if we went back and adjusted Debt to the value of current money, the Republican's Share would be astronomical.

[blueboyblue]

When Obama came into office -

$11,909,829,003,511.70

When Bush came into office -

$5,807,463,412,200.06

The Difference -

$6,102,365,591,311.64 (205% increase in National Debt under Bush.)

You can go to the Dept of Treasure and calculate these numbers for yourself. I have all the data spreadsheet that does the calculations for me.