The Rapture - 2 Thessalonians (4/4)

(12-27-09)
2 Thessalonians 2

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

15Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

16Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

17Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

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[LauderdaleBaptist]

@uppercutter21 And what does that have to do with the rapture?

[uppercutter21]

@LauderdaleBaptist U can believe that but that's simply not biblical. Our gathering together with the Lord won't occur until the falling away comes first and the man of sin, the son of perdition is revealed to the world. The one that sits on the earthly throne of God & claims to be God. The bible shows that the antichrist doesn't demand worship as God until halfway through the great tribulation when he takes away the daily sacrifices and turns on the Jewish people. God bless.

[LauderdaleBaptist]

@uppercutter21 the rapture is the next thing to take place on the prophetic timeline.

[uppercutter21]

@LauderdaleBaptist That last comment wasn't referencing those specific passages, but the other passages in the bible, loosely. I know what Chapter 2, vs 1-5 of 2nd Thes means. It's saying the rapture won't occur until this apostasy (falling away) comes first, and the antichrist is revealed to the world. His revealing is halfway through the tribulation when he takes away the sacrifices. God's wrath comes just after the great trib which believers won't suffer through.

[LauderdaleBaptist]

@uppercutter21 that's not the point of those passages

[uppercutter21]

@GizmoChicho I agree completely. The bible says that there will b a great falling away from the faith in the end times. It seem that many will turn away from their faith in a short period of time. I think this will happen, somewhat, b/c many r waiting on the rapture. It also says that the antichrist will send them a great delusion & since they wont b looking out for him they're going to fall for it. Not many people that say they're Christian really act like it.

[GizmoChicho]

@uppercutter21 I believe it's dangerous doctrine as it keeps many in the dark—perhaps why on that Day many will say, "Lord, lord..."—having lived a life of sin, even dying in sin. One has to walk in Christ, abiding in the Spirit, and in love with God the Father. If these folks can't clearly see what the Bible teaches, then what makes anyone think they'll be ready to die for Christ? Deception in the last days will abound, especially once the man of sin reveals himself & works wonders. ~Acts 17:11

[uppercutter21]

@GizmoChicho I agree & I wouldn't make an issue out of it except for the fact that preaching a pre trib rapture is deceiving the members of the church. It's probably not intentional deceit but that doesn't make it any less dangerous. It gives people a false hope that they won't have to prepare themselves for, or face the great trib. They also won't be looking out for the antichrist b/c they believe the rapture will occur b4 he's revealed. It's good that ur aware of the truth my friend. God bless

[GizmoChicho]

@uppercutter21 Good response. The preacher made a mistake in stating that the rapture will occur prior to the revealing of the antichrist. Indeed, the rapture will take place BEFORE judgement day, but not prior to the man of sin desecrating the temple.

[uppercutter21]

@LauderdaleBaptist Please look at scripture & see; Matthew 24:15 talks about the abomination of desolation (AofD). After the AofD it talks about the rapture in Matthew 24:30-31. The AofD is established at the same time the daily sacrifices r taken away in Daniel 11:31. The daily sacrifices r taken away halfway through the tribulation in Daniel 9:27. The bible shows that there's no rapture before the AofD & that the AofD doesn't occur until halfway through the great trib. Christ be with you.