response to USCM

The oil industry has grown beyond the power of the US government's ability to prevent fraud, and has highjacked the power to serve people of the nation in order to do its bidding around the world by passing laws in support of what they are scheming. A classical coup d'tat of many sovereign governments in one fell swoop.

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[Weaseldog2001]

We grow more because we're using a finite resource (Petroleum) to fill the soil with nitrogen,

But in the process, we are destroying rhe soil.

Petroleum production has peaked and is going into decline. We may well see aggricultural production dropped below Malthus' level, if we don't prepare.

Monsanto sees no profit in preparing.

[Weaseldog2001]

In a true Free Market, we'll end up with a lawless single corporation that owns everyone as it's slaves.

Benevolent regulation is needed, but we don't have that.

Malthus essentially argued that a population is limitied by it's food supply. Then he used data of his day to project a crisis in the future. He understood that if the food supply increased the population would increase. Until it outstripped the food supply again.

Malthus was right.

[murphycline]

It's a lot easier to be a corporate thug when you can socialize the costs. United Fruit company would have been less likely to engage in shenanigans against Arbenz if the taxpayer funded CIA wasn't doing their dirty work for them. It's a lot easier to be aggressive when the money collected is taken through coercive means.

[murphycline]

Not forever, but then again nor will humans. The amount of food that can be grown on one acre is greater than in Malthus' day. But from a free market perspective; if you got the government out of the way the market will determine prices. People would have to customize their diets to foods that made the most efficient use of the land. Should also be noted that more economically advanced a society gets the lower its birthrate tends to get. Economic advancement= less of a chance of overpopulation.

[Weaseldog2001]

Are you saying that food production can grow exponentially forever?

That for instance, one day the mass of corn produced can exceed the mass and volume of the universe?

[TabooRealities]

The fact is if the government didn't steal and commit fraud, and actually enforced those rules, there wouldn't be big corporations.

But then there also would be a way for assholes to impose behavior constraints on other people and force them to do things - which neglectfully causes a government enforced oversized monopoly in the industry governing such behavior.

[TabooRealities]

You are clearly a figment of highly creative imagination.

No corporation has more power than the government. If that were true, corporations would collect my taxes and enforce laws. Corporations use government force to make them big.

New bill to reduce energy: all the already compliant corporations get to eat up the non compliant ones. Or let's steal from the public and give it to corn growers, or the medical industry, or defense contractors.

[murphycline]

Malthus' assumption was based upon an incorrect assumption about the possibility of food productivity growing geometrically.  He was a reverend, not an expert

[BusTraveller]

Indeed!

[SonofNewo]

I've been planning to reduce my consumption for awhile now, but it's hard to do.