Ben Hogan vs. Tiger Woods - Swing Analysis - Part 2

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[markmetcalfloans]

Wayne, your info is great! But to me it looks like Hogan started the ball out to the right and it was starting to draw, you said he likes to cut the ball, do you think he was hitting a draw on this swing ?

[wdefrancesco]

@markmetcalfloans Huh...This shot always looked like a tiny cut to me, especially since his exit is below the shaft plane. He supposedly didn't much like to move it right to left, although in her book Kris Tschetter says he moved it both ways in practice.

[TheOneAndOnlycE]

Too bad Tiger changed instructors. I think he was on the right track with Haney. All he needed to change was a steeper shoulder turn, to stop lifting the arms on the backswing and getting the hips and shoulders much more open at impact so that he could release hard to the left and more around his body. Then his swing would have been exactly like Hogan´s.

[wdefrancesco]

@TheOneAndOnlycE Haney's theory of "parallel planes" was the cause for

Tiger's more level trunk movement. Tiger, however, is able to do anything anyone asks of him, and is swinging on exactly parallel planes. It is an improvement over Harmon, but I think Foley is more correct, although people are hysterical about Tiger's practice swings and rehearsals. The problem now is that without right load (moving off the ball) and the added attempt at a no-flip release Tiger is struggling with impact.

[robbinzo]

The one obvious thing that I notice is that Hogan started forward as the clubhead was still going back.

Tiger seems to get the club to the top and then start down with those big back muscles of his.

Hogan had a massive amount of lag in to the ball, with the clubhead coming close to touching his right shoulder on the way down.

Does the two-way Hogan motion at the top create more club head lag?

Faldo's slower swing seems to have much less lag in to the ball.

[wdefrancesco]

@robbinzo All good players start their body forward before the club finishes going back. You should be careful to distinguish between lag in transition and lag into impact. Some players who produce seemingly little or no lag at the top (Stricker, Watson, etc..) drag the club perfectly into the ball, producing a forward leaning, sustained impact. Hogan and Sergio use the "whip" they have at the top to great effect. It is no guarantee, however, that early lag will translate into great impact.

[learn4perspective]

Dear Mr de Francesco, i would like to add that with johnny miller the position of his hands at the top being marginally higher than the head position requires the spine not to compress/ dip despite the knees and hips moving in a similar fashion. But as you called it "just look at the dip on the way down to the ball!!. Thanks

[learn4perspective]

Dear Mr de Francesco, i want to share some thoughts, your analysis helped inspire. Firstly great analysis!, my ideas may not be popular but i stand on them!!.

In a nutshell, the dips of hogan and tiger is in response to the pivoting of their hips and how the knees respond in kind. At the top the left knee and thus left hip is lowered. Due to the left hip being the pivot point of the backswing!. Forward rotation of the lower half into impact reveals a low right knee. two dips for two hips.

[as435943]

Right. Tiger can't hit a fairway to save him life. Hogan never missed one. Tiger is Tom Watson with todays golf balls and golf clubs that add 50+ yards.

Watson was great out of trouble and a clutch putter. Tiger is great of out of trouble and a clutch putter. Both were just great recoving for bad shots. Same golfer other than Tiger gets the edge of 2 strokes a around because of the equipment reducing the golf course to nothing.

[TheOneAndOnlycE]

@wdefrancesco

It was in fact a draw. The extended footage of the swing you analysed is on youtube and the ball is clearly drawing. Hogan worked it both ways on the course although his go to shot was a fade. Otherwise a great analysis though!

[dschultz6072]

@Aaronva83 i agree. if you aren't comfortable with a sound swing, how are you going to get through a 6500 yard golf course? you end up kind of dreading the thought of hitting the ball in fear of hitting it poorly and sending it to an unintended target. the downward spiral of uncomfortable feelings and negative thoughts can continue all the way down your bag into your putter if you can't get all your chips and putts to turn out right, either, because you're relying on them to save your round.