Eternity Bible College founder Francis Chan and professor Preston Sprinkle discuss their book Erasing Hell and the implications of the Bible's teaching on hell. This interview was recorded on June 19, 2011 at Cornerstone Community Church in Simi Valley, California.
@letloosethelion and @ElasticGiraffe I think we may be missing the point. God's children are the body and they are called to encourage and build up one another. I love debates but you guys aren't debating, you're standing in your camps shooting arrows. Obviously there are many brilliant people on BOTH sides of this debate so maybe its not as concrete as either of you think. Point is, live it out first and love your brother and then sharpen each other through a real debate not just pointed anger
themlbcubs1fan 2 months ago
@stevelovesgod "read which one of my comments in which i said people will be tormented for ever. i said the devil... i said people go into the lake of fire with hell "
Sorry, missed this. Sorry for misrepresenting you on this. However, many times in the Bible, the word "aion" Greek for forever is used to refer to things that have an end. I know the verse you're talking about, but I don't see a need to require that to mean endless torture, even for the devil. God says evil will not exist.
TruthIsLife7 4 months ago
@ElasticGiraffe Put your assumptions away and start reading your bible. If you do not like Gods plan then take it up with him. There are many Calvinist/Arminian debates already on youtube watch one of those if you wish, the doctrines of the reformation are very defensible and biblical. A person asked a question about why Christ died and I answered it. It was the right answer, a biblical answer, and you disapprove of it. So what? Did God consult you when he came up with his plan? No.
letloosethelion 5 months ago
@letloosethelion For the first millennium of the church, all Christians believed Jesus saved us from sin and death, not from the punishment of his Father. Of course Jesus is a sacrifice, but vicarious atonement does NOT imply penal substitution. As a Calvinist you assume no believer could possibly interpret the Scriptures in a non-Reformed way, but I assure you we do. Limited atonement is historically and biblically indefensible, which is why the doctrine did not exist until the 16th century.
ElasticGiraffe 5 months ago
@ElasticGiraffe Pictures of Christs sacrifice are all through the bible, if you cant see them, I cant help you, no they did not start with Calvin. If it is unjust for the innocent to die for the guilty, then you are calling God unjust since it is HIS own plan Isa. 53:10-11. He was raised for our justification Rom.5:25 so God was satisfied with the punishment Jesus recieved even if you are not. Christ died for the sins of those his father gave him (his elect), not the whole world see John 17:9
letloosethelion 5 months ago
The issue about hell is a never-ending argument. My question is always: what if it is true? Should we risk finding it out when we are already there and there is no turning back? The bible confirms that not everyone will enter heaven. Be like Jesus. You will know how by reading His teachings. Change into the person Jesus wants us to be. God knows who are His (2 Timothy 2:19, Romans 8:9). Nobody knows that except those who really follow Him.
buenajosie 5 months ago
@letloosethelion Penal substitution theory has only been around since John Calvin developed Anselm's view. It is not the historical position of the church, and it is riddled with problems. First and foremost, it is fundamentally UNJUST to punish an innocent person so that guilty, wicked people are let off the hook. Second, Jesus did not receive the same punishment one person would receive in hell, let alone all people. Third, if satisfaction was made for sin, then no sin remains to be forgiven.
ElasticGiraffe 5 months ago
@Freedomremoved He died to satisfy the anger of God against man for his sin and rebellion against him. Every drop of wrath was poured out on Christ instead of us. It is actual punishment for the crimes, not just God saying ok,..never mind, I forgive you. Our sins were genuinely paid for with real currency, the suffering and death of Christ. A just sentence was carried out against mankind, but it was carried out on Christ instead of us.
letloosethelion 5 months ago
The amazing heretical comments displayed here by so called "Christians" are incredible to the most, but these are the last of the last days, what can we expect.
1 Timothy {4:1} Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Hell is real, eternal punishment in hell is real, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 13:42).
orlibonurb 5 months ago
@Freedomremoved He died to conquer death. Death is the most final thing we know and sin leads to death. Jesus overcame the power that death had over us.
whatthehellbook 5 months ago