Internet arguments: Information theory

So information can't come from "non-information"? You couldn't be more wrong about that. Also, rocks!

More on information theory:
http://talkorigins.org/faqs/information/shannon.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)

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[doombybbr]

he doesn't know the difference between data(meaninless - such as the number 18), information (has meaning - such as the fact that someone is over 18 years old)and knowledge(interpreted information- this 18-year old is now under different laws because of their age)...... knowledge is derived from information, this guy got confused between info and knowledge, and doesn't know that his "non-information" is actually data....

[Yacovsup]

U lost me at "Information" :D lol kidding

[HeyHeyHarmonicaLuke]

@1FeetHands some truths can be known through investigation, but absolute certainty may not be possible. Reasonable certainty can be found though.

What separates life from nonlife you ask? well, what separates the Eiffel tower from the metal it's made of? Life IS non living matter, it's only the way it's arranged that is special. Life is a pattern of matter, an arrangement of matter. A very complicated way the non living particles of nature can get caught up in a self-replicating system of eddies

[sagehawk12]

I know this is an older video,but I think I may know what the persons underlying point was(even thought they butchered info theory).Nomatter how we got here there was a state of non-existence,If nothing existed,what exactly would trigger this universe to come to be?The first answer isan outside source,that has no involvement inthe current nonexistence of this single universe(assuming there is a multiverse).Science fails tofind what this is and most people fill this in with a divine explanation.

[jameshopkinsipg]

Likely on the weighted die case with multiple outcomes it information of the higher probabilties have the lower informative gain. Again, this is due to the fact that "with a high probabilty" we can assume that that outcome will result. However, with a lower probabillity outcome will contain more information because it was unexpected. Its like saying David beating Goliath wasn't expected. However, the fact that he "did" "being unexpected" has brought us more insight. At least thats my opinion

[jameshopkinsipg]

The idea of information used in the equations stems in some sense of knowing something about the environment. The equations themselves do not delineate information vs. noninformation. They justify what the ideal reasonable informative gain is of a system. All systems have information but the equations try to answer the question "Is it useful information?" If a coin flip always comes up heads then that system has no usefulness since we already know the outcome. 50/50 coin we however get somthin

[Vortex289]

So... information is that which we fill in our obliviousness (non-information) with?

[way2jaded1]

My dad gave me a good rule after you have read a page 3 times and it still makes no sense it probably is not worth the effort. It may have only been once. If you understand something it really is not that difficult to explain it. So if someone appears to be talking nonsense then you have to ask yourself what they are hiding. If you don't understand what JZ is saying sorry forget the rule you are just dumb.

[paimail21]

IT*S A TRAP

[gregrutz]

@1FeetHands In the beginning of what? What is TRUTH? What if you don't have a worldview?

How can we know anything...read a science book dummy.