Altcar: Fuel Cell Foolishness from honda, toyota

Less than 5000 miles on this fuel cell car, and Honda removes the car from time to time to "service" it. This program has been in operation since 2001, so it is mature. This indicates possible continuing reliability and servicing issues in the fuel cell stack, special hi-pressure tanks, and/or the Lithium batteries.

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• Honda
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• FCV
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• Toyota
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[liveoilfree]

Actually, we can stop at RV parks and fast-charge, it's more like 45 minutes not 8 hours.

But EVs are not designed for long distances; if they were, we'd just add a small genset, and run the car on 28 kW (that's all it takes to keep a RAV4-EV at 80 mph).

[HAL11000]

If your blunt accusation states that I am ignoramus, tell me what I don't know. Why don't you teach me something new? If you say you are more knowledgeable on the subject, why don't you demonstrate your knowledge. Oh yes, you can't, you don't know anything about the subject.

[DrBrazil1]

If you go through the entire hydrogen chain starting with AC-DC conversion, electrolysis, compression, or liquefaction, transportation, storage, re-conversion the electricity by fuel cells with subsequent DC-AC, there are additional losses in every process stage. This is physics, not poor handling. And as the laws of physics are eternal, there was no past, there is no present, and there will be no future for a hydrogen economy.

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Conclusion: Go electric

[trevor0195]

@cecilbdml lol im sorry that i used shorthand writing for a couple words.... since that seems to be such a big deal to you. its not rare i never said it was. i just said that the ready supply of just straight hydrogen for this purpose is less then oil and gas at the time. there is massive amounts of hydrogen in the oceans alone but it needs to be chemically separated which costs money which isnt worth it right now if gas costs less then hydrogen

[cecilbdml]

Hydrogen is RARE?! You might want to try that one again. It is more common than silicon, and available by simple electrical separation. And you might try looking at a dictionary now and again...improper spelling ruins the viability of your argument.

[rentoz]

Honda's ok. Although EV cars are readily avaialble and do not necessarily need a dedicated infrastructure, they still have the issue of haviing expensive batteries which charge in far too long time. Hydrogen can be produced using electricity from wind turbines, sure that has a cost but it is unlimited and a refill is only 2-3 minutes.

I guess if we find a way of storing energy from something which is renewable and takes only about 2-3 minutes to charge then that battery technology should win.

[ceriman]

considering that the fuel cell alone is over a half million dollars, with most of that cost for the platinum needed, they won't be "affordable" any time soon.

Plug-ins are a lot less expensive.

[trevor0195]

hes right rootstreestump. wat ur saying rele makes absoloutly no sence whatsoever. what does the number of fueling stations have to do with cost? and explain to me how that is related to supply and demand? hydrogen is just a natural gas like what we are using now only much more rare so we would be in the same situation with hydrogen as we are with gasoline. it will never get anywhere anytime soon

[234566tgvb]

This is the technology of the future. I can't wait to they have finaly refined the technology and can produce them at affordable prices :D.

[liveoilfree]

In 600,000 miles of EV driving (HondaEV, 2 EV1, RangerEV, 3 RAV4-EV) we've never run out of electric "in the middle of nowhere".

Electric power is everywhere, and an EV can plug in anywhere.

[accountsuck2]

You forgot about ethanol. Brazil has adopted a cane based fuel and it is completely renewable. Ethanol has also proven to be a large power producer as it has been used in drag racing for some time now, fueling cars with thousands of horsepower.

[accountsuck2]

I believe he meant in one run, not accumulated miles. There is a vast difference and you know that. How confident are you at traveling long distances in your EV? Don't dodge the question.