AIR CRASH INVESTIGATION( JAL-123) PART 5/5

ONE OF THE TRAGIC ACCIDENTS IN AVIATION HISTORY

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[Alltimeboxing]

Excuse me Air Crash investigation BUT in the case you forgot to talk about the responsibility of rescuers, either japanese or americans or the japanese authorities, that play a real part in the death of many survivors of the crash itself !

[Solidboat123]

Japanese police wanted to charge Boeing - they should charge their own authorities for not allowing US Marines to carry out SAR immediately, and the Japanese rescue team for not getting to the crash site as fast as possible

[shimuka2]

@doommmmmmm You present it as a way to escape responsabilities, the easy way to get out trouble. Be careful though, it doesn't always works, sometimes you go to martial court anyway. But whatever, this is politics and diplomacy vs military, eternall argument. Well anyway, I said what I had to say, I am done with it. So good luck for your next deployment sincerely, stay safe and take care.

[shimuka2]

@doommmmmmm Now I will explain this to you, this is a diplomacy and politics vs military argument. We can talk about it for hours. When 2 countries like Japan and USA have a difficult relationship you cannot just go and play soldier. Because for some Japanese having American Army there still is unbearable and annoying. If they say no this is no. And you should know that too. I always thought that captain mass was a mistake you just confirmed my feeling about it.

[shimuka2]

@doommmmmmm Look I am not saying I know more about military than you do, but I know more about politcs and diplomacy because that's my job. You see here this is more about that. When two countries have difficult situation like America and Japan, you cannot possibly desobey the Japanese autority, because you will create a diplomatic incident, and someone would have to pay, and not with a simple "Captain's mass". Japanese would ask for more "martial court."

[doommmmmmm]

@shimuka2 people disobey orders break rules all the time(captain's mass exists for a reason) like i've been saying it'd either be on the command or the crew,jurisdiction really doesn't prevent them from breaking the rules, it only give the UCMJ force(articles 77/80/81/90/91/92/94/134 just to point out the articles that could've been pressed on ither the CO or the SAR crew whoever disobeyed) next time it'd jelp if you knew something about the military, hooyeah.

[shimuka2]

@doommmmmmm Never heard about the word Jurisdiction?? Guest not. Your words are not credible at all. American would have desobeyed and then what, who would have taken the fall? Obviously you know nothing about what is above armed force and how it works. You cannot do whatever you want, period. Armed force is at the service of a government, or did you forget that too? As for me I have enough soldier in my family to know how does it work.

[doommmmmmm]

@shimuka2 the fact that i'm in the armed forces means that i have a better understanding of how it works since it's everyday for me, versus you who isn't, on thing regarding the armed forces my words are more credible than yours. and their chain of command could've disobeyed Japan's request, and the pilots would've had to obey their CoC not the Japanese government. the people that'd lose face is the CoC.

[shimuka2]

@doommmmmmm First of all it isn't because you are in the armed force that you know everything. If it were the case they would be no need of chain of command, execept for basic organisation. It really depend of your rank, doesn't it? This was rather a politic issues that anything else.

[doommmmmmm]

@shimuka2 no it'd be on the command not Japan, but i guess i wouldn't know stuff like that even though i'm in the armed forces myself.

[shimuka2]

@doommmmmmm It's where you wrong. But I wasn't talking about a full war easier. But there are a lot of possibilities to screw a country.Japan is all about face, and when they lose it, they can react pretty bad.

[doommmmmmm]

@shimuka2 if they disobeyed, it would've caused some tension between the nations at most but no crisis, at most the command would've been punished, CO fired as well as the teams but nothing as serious as what you say.