Stormie Omartian: Mighty in Prayer - CBN.com

The Power of a Praying Church author Stormie Omartian discusses prayer and the life-changing benefits and world-changing effects that result from praying for others... The Christian Broadcasting Network CBN http://www.cbn.com

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[0WarXHawk0]

@goddessoflove2205 Well if your imaginary friend can magically bring you out of any situation I guess props to you.

My saviors are not imaginary, nor do they hide from me. They come when I am wounded, they come when I need assistance, they come when I am pinned down on all sides from incoming fire.

They have done it before, and they will do it again.

They are the few, the proud, the Marines.

[goddessoflove2205]

god bring us out of any situation as long as we trust him and you did

[redtortoise76]

@marius1ro "there are other reasons why I would consider not to provide evidence" Such as?

"What is your commitment" Commitment? This is not an altar call. In a rational discussion you either provide evidence to support your claim or you will not be taken seriously. Again it's the most elementary thing. Still waiting for you to back up your claims...it's been three days now.

[marius1ro]

@redtortoise76 "If you refuse to provide evidence then your position is very weak indeed" - this statement is not necessarily true (i.e. there are other reasons why I would consider not to provide evidence)

What is your commitment if I point you to the (scientific) study that says that prayer has no positive effects, yet it has negative effects?

[redtortoise76]

@marius1ro

Nu este deloc o provocare ieftina, este cel mai elementar si rezonabil lucru. Pur si simplu iti cer sa iti sustii pozitia prin dovezi, care este urmatorul pas in orice discutie rationala. You make a claim then you provide evidence to support your claim. If you refuse to provide evidence then your position is very weak indeed. Inca astept sa imi citezi studiile stintifice care dovedesc ca rugaciunea este "ceva care face mai mult rau decat bine". Multumesc.

[marius1ro]

@redtortoise76 "Son, you are out of your league" crezi tu ca raspund la asa provocari ieftine?! Esti vreo autoritate in stabilit pozitie de putere sau slabiciune in debateuri?

[redtortoise76]

@marius1ro Ti-am cerut evidence to support your claim. Daca nu vrei sa o dai este ok. Este un semn clar al slabiciunii pozitiei tale.

[marius1ro]

@redtortoise76 Si daca iti dau sursa o sa-ti schimbi parerea despre rugaciune? I don't think so. Pentru ca o alta sursa/studiu spune ca toti cautam dovezi care sa intareasca perceptia noastra actuala. De aia am zis ca nu are sens sa-ti dau sursa.

[redtortoise76]

@marius1ro Deci sustii ca rugaciunea "stiintific vorbind face mai mult rau decat bine" As vrea sa vad pe ce studii stiintifice se bazeaza claim-ul tau, din moment ce sustii ca aceasta este dintr-un punct de vedere stiintific si nu parerea ta personala.

[marius1ro]

@redtortoise76 Nu ma deranjeaza, acel ceva e rugaciunea (prayer), si pot sa citez si studiile daca le caut, dar cred ca putem fi de acord ca tot nu o sa-ti schimbi perceptiile dupa ce le vezi, asa ca nu merita efortul sa le caut.

Continua sa crezi ce vrei daca asta te face mai bun, dar intelege ca e vorba de a crede nu de a stii.