Saddleback Church Civil Forum - Obama & McCain 8 of 17

Question: Does evil exist and if so do be ignore it, do we negotiate with it, do we contain it, or do we defeat it? 8 of 17 questions asked by Pastor and author Rick Warren of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California. The same questions were asked of each presidential candidate, Barack Obama and John McCain in an informal forum called Saddleback Civil Forum on August 16, 2008.

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[ConservativeInk]

@life0is0just0a0ride No, it is bastards like you who followed Hussein to the gates of hell.

[ConservativeInk]

@nativethoughts Sadly, sometimes it takes a while for fools like you to be exposed for the fools that you are. God damn people like you and the damage you cause simply by youir vile existence.

[Drakken000]

Right On!

[nativethoughts]

McCain is not right in his mind.

As we have seen through this whole

interview, he is obsessed with war.

[ls1z28chris]

I have said we are guilty of committing the same crimes. The level of contempt with which we are regarded is subjective. There are many who would view contemporary American government as tyrannical. Our founders propagated a revolution for less significant transgressions than those endured by the current generation of Americans.

[soloman81]

I'll check out that article. But it is true, that the Sunni Kurds are indeed fighting for a unified iraq state.

And i'm sorry to say, but if you say we are equally contemptible to the enemies of civilzation, to those that wish for totalitarian tryannical rule, then you are making excuses for them.

[ls1z28chris]

I think we both want America to live up to its ideals and principles when developing foreign policy. My biggest problem is that moralistic arguments are entirely theoretical and have no application to real events and policies as they are not evenly applied. We're sinners when it is in our economic interests, and we're saints when it is within our economic interests. As a nation, our policies ignore morality.

[ls1z28chris]

We have maimed, and continue to maim, the Middle East at a level that Saddam could never have achieved. Speaking in moralistic terms, our sins cannot be forgiven because we're still committing them. Even if we were to stop, the wounds are still fresh enough that we still won't be forgiven. Even if tomorrow we decided to pursue a policy with humanitarianism as a fundamental principle and stopped supporting despots and dictators, the rest of the world is going to be reluctant to play along.

[soloman81]

You're right to say we should do more. But you underestimate the importance of crude oil. I'm not talking about profits. I'm talking about freeing it's control from dictators like saddam, but also preventing it from getting in the hands of other totalitarian scum that are fighting to take oppressive control of the region right now. Oil makes the region that much more dangerous. We aren't stealing oil. A federated Iraq will do business as they please. Saddams iraq killed and maimed the region.

[javinovsky]

Sometimes the "troops" make more damage than the Iraqi people...