Yeshua's Teachings on Sin and Forgiveness

Yeshua's science of self-liberation through non-retaliation. PART TWO

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• sin

[GazGuitarz]

@lewiskeizer Do you mean God-as-He-is-in-Himself?  There are several lines of thought about 'Godhead'.

[lewiskeizer]

@GazGuitarz The Abba of Yeshua is allegorical. Godhead does not exist, but is infinitely real and substands reality. Infinitely transcendent, infinitely immanent--allegorized as Father and Mother, but not male or female--not anthropomorphic (rather, humanity is theomorphic at its root). Godhead is Source, Progenitor, Parent. But not simply patriarchal Father, as NT Greek Pater and the entire Judeo-Islamo-Christian tradition assumes.

[GazGuitarz]

@lewiskeizer The word ’Abba came to be applied as a title of honor to the rabbis in the early centuries of the Common Era & is found as such in the Babylonian Talmud. Are you saying that the rabbi's were androgynous? I must admit, this has become a stickier point than I first thought. However 90+% of literature on the subject defines Abba as Father. Y'shua even uses the double term, Abba, Father in the Garden of Gethsemane in Matthew. Father/Mother, Father doesn't make a lot of sense.

[lewiskeizer]

@GazGuitarz To repeat, “The Holy Spirit (Heb. feminine Ruach Ha-Qodesh) opened Her bosom, and mixed the milk of the two breasts of the Abba.” Ode of Solomon 19. This Ode is contemporary with Yeshua, who said, "Call no one Abba, for you have one Abba in the heavens." Nevertheless early Christian usage was to call a spiritual leader Abba or Apa (cf.Tibetan Rinpoche). Yeshua had a special meaning for Abba not found in rabbinic Judaism or vernacular usage. The Abba was not a deity, but Godhead.

[GazGuitarz]

@lewiskeizer Wouldn't that make it Abma? Fascinating topic by the way. Personally, I have no Christian dogma, but am wary of gnostism and its many. I merely hold to a strong belief, based upon the existing evidence, that the Hebrew scribes went to great length, to avoid pagan ideology from appearing in scripture. Therefore, to adopt the ancient pagan and mystery school belief of an androgynous male/female deity, makes little sense. God is Spirit, he has no form.

[lewiskeizer]

@GazGuitarz No. Hebrew adds -aleph or -ah and doubles the final consonant. Ab becomes Ab-ba, Am becomes Am-ma in this case.

[GazGuitarz]

@lewiskeizer "How then can a relation be represented between Him and what is other than He when there is no notion comprising in any respect both of the two, inasmuch as existence is, in our opinion, affirmed of Him, may He be exalted, and of what is other than He merely by way of absolute equivocation. There is, in truth, no relation in any respect between Him and any of His creatures."

— Maimonides, Moreh Nevuchim (Pines 1963)

[GazGuitarz]

@lewiskeizer "Ein Sof is a place to which forgetting and oblivion pertain. Why? Because concerning all the sefirot, one can search out their reality from the depth of supernal wisdom. From there it is possible to understand one thing from another. However, concerning Ein Sof, there is no aspect anywhere to search or probe; nothing can be known of it, for it is hidden and concealed in the mystery of absolute nothingness."— David ben Judah Hehasid, Matt (1990)

[GazGuitarz]

@lewiskeizer ’Abba’ is clearly cognate with the Hebrew word ’ab (pronounced ’ahv), "Father." More specifically, it would be cognate to the Hebrew word with the definite article, ha’ab ("the Father"), because the ending -a’ on the Aramaic makes it a determined or definite noun. Hence, the translation could be "the Father" or "my Father" of just "Father." The Jewish Talmud itself talks about the child learning to say ’abba’ and ’imma’, clearly, two different things.

[lewiskeizer]

@GazGuitarz Correct, and in Aramaic IM as in Imma, with feminine ending -ma.