@bxjam85 With the rise of philosophy (e.g. Plato, Aristotle, Epicurus), many Greeks began regarding self-improvement and self-identity over contributing to the nation.
@maverickmarine79 Well during the third century BC, most of the Greek city states lost their patriotism and national identity as philosophy began to be popular. The idea of indiviualism and self-identity and self-knowing largely replaced nationalism and religion. I guess you could attribute the demise to the Greek city states to that, while the Romans always held patriotism as the prime virtue of character. Greeks valued the individual (starting around 300 BC, that is) and Rome valued the nation
Greece is also the model of modern economic ruin. Greek City States were immensely patriotic and everyone did their part to make it successful. Now, they expect to have everything given to them. Just like Rome, Greece forgot a phrase that was very popular during the early nineties in America: it's the economy stupid.
@TorcidaCro Both of which strongly derived from the Ancient Greek. Not to say that Rome had no impact on the west. It did. Though If you look at many aspects of Western art, politics and philosophy amongst other things, there are many influences from previous civilisations but ancient Greek is most prominent, hence why almost every historian refers to Classical Greece as the foundation of Western culture and civilisation.
@TorcidaCro Hmmm. Classical Greece is the culture considered by most historians to be the principal foundation of Western civilisation. Ancient Rome is less of a cultural influence on the West. Most of Rome's mythology, architecture, art and literature is largely of Greek influence anyway. Plus do not so quickly call people stupid, it only makes you look stupid.
@Keleborzik I see. Did this trend occur in all of Greece or just Athens?
bxjam85 2 days ago
@bxjam85 With the rise of philosophy (e.g. Plato, Aristotle, Epicurus), many Greeks began regarding self-improvement and self-identity over contributing to the nation.
Keleborzik 2 days ago
@Keleborzik In what sense did the Athenians value the individual over the nation?
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@indgiu Yeah! I thought so too, except I was thinking of the Britons.
AthosAmo 1 month ago
Only Pullo can do a 360 with a tower shield and a gladius short sword
Thongger 1 month ago
@maverickmarine79 Well during the third century BC, most of the Greek city states lost their patriotism and national identity as philosophy began to be popular. The idea of indiviualism and self-identity and self-knowing largely replaced nationalism and religion. I guess you could attribute the demise to the Greek city states to that, while the Romans always held patriotism as the prime virtue of character. Greeks valued the individual (starting around 300 BC, that is) and Rome valued the nation
Keleborzik 1 month ago
Greece is also the model of modern economic ruin. Greek City States were immensely patriotic and everyone did their part to make it successful. Now, they expect to have everything given to them. Just like Rome, Greece forgot a phrase that was very popular during the early nineties in America: it's the economy stupid.
maverickmarine79 2 months ago
@TorcidaCro Both of which strongly derived from the Ancient Greek. Not to say that Rome had no impact on the west. It did. Though If you look at many aspects of Western art, politics and philosophy amongst other things, there are many influences from previous civilisations but ancient Greek is most prominent, hence why almost every historian refers to Classical Greece as the foundation of Western culture and civilisation.
nemo2000000 2 months ago
@nemo2000000 just think for second about roman architecture and poetry..
TorcidaCro 2 months ago
@TorcidaCro Hmmm. Classical Greece is the culture considered by most historians to be the principal foundation of Western civilisation. Ancient Rome is less of a cultural influence on the West. Most of Rome's mythology, architecture, art and literature is largely of Greek influence anyway. Plus do not so quickly call people stupid, it only makes you look stupid.
nemo2000000 2 months ago