Patriarchal society via socialization

This is a response to the video "The dogma of feminism" by ArgusEyes. He seems to either think that for a patriarchal society to exist there must be some sort of conspiracy or he's just being disingenous and creating a straw man argument rather than addressing the idea.

Also he tries to equate feminists with Nazis. This parts a little cute. He tries hard and has some good rhetoric over all but seems lacking in message.

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Nonprofits & Activism

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• feminism
• social
• socialization
• patriarchy
• patriarchal
• men
• women

[puyen58]

I'm very curious why a person in the hard sciences like biochemistry is so adamant about defending feminism. If you care at all about academic honesty and rigor, why would you support a group that is guilty of churning out such shoddy research, much of it downright fraudulent? Do you have a feminist girlfriend? Maybe you're a marxist. I don't know. You don't make sense.

[Spacemonkey2084]

I don't defend poorly done research

I don't identify with a movement. I'm a feminist in the sense I believe in equal rights and treatment of men and women. I'm also tired of people pretending they know which variables of personality and identity are biologically determined. Using a priori assumptions about what is biologically determined is just a weak justification for what I see as negative socialization in both men and women.

[puyen58]

"A single data point is not a trend." Pardon my French, but no shit.

When Argus used statistics on differential representation of women in math and science, I didn't take it to mean he's using it as absolute proof of biological differences. So he's not jumping to conclusions based on those statistics. Feminists are jumping to conclusions! It's idiotic to say these statistics prove sex discrimination. It's not even a reasonable conclusion. It's utter crap!

[Spacemonkey2084]

"A single data point is not a trend." was a response to ConservativeAtheist, not ArgusEyes.

I didn't say sex discrimination. I would say it's mostly a matter of destructive socialization in the US. I know you're allergic to that word but we all know that people are trained into their programming to *some* degree. The only debate is where the line is.

[puyen58]

You keep harping on "destructive socialization." Where's your proof that this is taking place, or that this is the cause of differential representation of women in math and science (or the cause of any other social malady)?

Feminism once meant the women's movement which fought for equal rights for women, because they didn't have equal rights. Since women now have equal rights, what the hell does feminism mean, other than a leftist political group for paranoid women?

[embracingreality]

The feminism argument has become redundant. The word "feminism" doesn't really mean or stand for any specific ideology. For example women who support the rights of women to participate in porn call themselves feminists. What do those women who appose porn and say it's detrimental to women call themselves? Feminists... Search online (like wikipedia) "feminist sex wars". "Feminism" has been casually linked to anything and everything female.

Inequality is a far more relevant topic.

[East180thStreetYard]

For women,this guy is probably "just a friend" or the gay friend that listens to all of women's problems but never has any sex with them;a real doormat & a complete pussy.He was also probably raised by a single mom that taught him how to pee sitting down and that he always should respect women rather than women actually earning it.Feminists want equal rights only if it is to there advantage only.You never see feminists protesting that Debra LaFave go to prison for having sex with a minor boy.

[thespacialone]

@Spacemonkey2084 No, you're a feminist in the sense that all men sufficiently indoctrinated in the anti-male mythos are, ostracized to the point where the only social utility you're seen to be able to provide is as lackey to the femifascists. How have they made you so blind to plain simply fkn reality?

Reclaim your testicles and renounce this idiocy.

[moronicnotions]

Well said, sir.

[Larendria]

haha, men over the age of 40 have the same mentality = Women in the kitchen. If i have to hear 1 more joke about " bitch get into the kitchen and make me a sandwich" i'm going to kick a dog.

[anime1973]

this guy is a moron. he's asking for regular folks to be bio-chemists to prove what we've always known all along. That being is that women are socially motivated thus they go into the soft sciences as they are more theory driven than hard numbers driven. Men, without outside influences, will always dominate the hard sciences because it appeals to our meticulous and sometimes solitary nature. There's no denying that testosterone causes dominate behavior.. and men have it.

[East180thStreetYard]

I never saw a bearded woman before !

[OutOfTheBoxThinker]

@compugeek7221 : Psychology is useful for various things. Besides increasing our understanding of the human mind, it can also help people to recognise the cognitive dissonance within their thinking, to fill gaps of knowledge, etc. Psycho-analysis, however, is proven by qualified psychologists to be nothing but a pseudoscience and it should not be taken seriously at all.

[OutOfTheBoxThinker]

@compugeek7221 : You can compare subconscious processing with using a framework as a programmer. It's much easier and more efficient to work with than without using any framework, but you lose sight of the basic code that is under de hood. Many people have a lot of cognitive dissonance and subconscious processing ignores it (leading to irrational behavior) while rational analysis points it out (avoiding irrational behavior).

[compugeek7221]

@OutOfTheBoxThinker So is subconscious completely unable to be rationalized, I understand that by the very nature subconscious is "unseen" but does that mean you can not question the manifestations of such behavior in a rational manner, and if that is so does that render psychology useless?