Surrender of the 11th Panzer Division

General Von Wietersheim negotiates the surrender of the 11 panzer "Ghost" division with US General Ernest of the 90 Infantry Division.
Note: the 7 Panzer Division was also called the "Ghost Division"

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[russ10x]

Were all the tanks M IVs? I would think that later in the war, your unit would have had heavier tanks.

[logibear64]

@russ10x There were only a handful of tanks left around 12 total. Still photos taken by US Army cameramen from May 1945 show them to be a collection of Jagd Panzer IV's, Mark IV's and Wespes. As you can imagine the 11 Panzer was only a shadow of its former self at the end.

[supertucano1000]

He young folks, there was never a surrender of the 11th. Ask us old guys being members of the 11th or read better sources. There was a separate treaty of peace between the commanders resulting in our discharge without any imprisonment. The 11th ended war in its full strength of combat and undefeated. This peace enabled the Allied to occupy "Böhmen", where major developments of so called "Secret Weapon" including nuclear research were suspected. The allied archives are still closed so far.

[logibear64]

@supertucano1000 Greetings-I shall check the documents I have from the files of the 90th US Infantry division in the US National Archives. If I recall correctly, there was no-doubt it was a surrender (albeit cordial as the 11th had a fine reputation with the Americans).

[logibear64]

I just checked the records I have copied from the 90th US Infantry division files. NARA Document "WW2 Operations Report 90th Infantry Division" 390-2.1 Box 13292. It has a lengthy document titled "Notes on the Surrender of the 11th Panzer Division." It frequently mentions the surrender and that the German enlisted men were glad the division surrendered to the Americans.

[retardedspacealien]

they should have teamed up and kill some reds :)

[DerSkeletor]

des kampfes müd und so tapfer gekämpft

[sid31663]

in every videos, documentary like this one the germans are always shown loosing battles or shown inferiors to the allies but i think germans were giving the allies very tough war despite of them eventually loosing. Who knows? history can be twisted

[aaaarghgl]

@prostockgear And the holocaust didn't happen! yeag right you believe your own lies...

[MelitaAnniera915]

hiya is ja lustig

[HunterR909]

So how many Panzer Divisions were actually Army as opposed to SS Panzer Divisions?

[KatjeSF]

@Kaleuhey You are quite correct. The black uniform was that of a normal tankmember, not that of the SS. When the war started (as you know), the SS adopted a grey uniform.

[sarsanch13]

@dragon8897 Well you have to understand that Russians casualties were very high, the Nazis assassinated more than 22 million civilians in the Eastern front,there were lots of rancor against Germans by the Russians who at first were surrendering to them because they didn't like Stalin very much but they didn't know that Hitler had a policy of annihilation and wanted to eliminate as many Russian that he could,read the book "Spandau" by Albert Speer and you'll see.

[prostockgear]

id have to agree with supertacano1000 rather than logibear64,because i like getting info from someone who was there not reading a file thats obviously biased based on american view...the US  can put whatever they want in a file as they see fit

[LYinKansas]

an entire division and that is all that's left?! do you have any idea how big an entire division is!! surprised they didn't hole up in Berlin god damn little kids defending the city for gods sake and these assholes hid the tanks in the forest..

[prostockgear]

@dragon8897 over a million germans died in US captivity