I wonder if they mention that the Moravians he was with on that boat starting singing hymns when the storm hit...hmm. I hope so considering parts of this movie are filmed in Old Salem, a Moravian settlement. And of course there are lovely shots of Salem College :)
@EastofForever Though he may have been wanting in joy, He definitely had peace: "But this I know, I have 'now peace with God.' And I sin not today..."
"And herein I found the difference between this and my former state chiefly consisted. I was striving, yea, fighting with all my might under the law, as well as under grace. But then I sometimes, if not often conqured; now, I was always conqueror. " Wesley May 1738 That he continued to grow from that point no one doubts.
@EastofForever No one will ever be without temptation, and because we are doesn't prove our experience real or false. "Then was I taught, that peace and victory over sin are essential to faith in the Captain of our salvation: But that, as to the transports of joy that usually attend the beginning of it, especially in those who have mourned deeply, God sometimes giveth, sometimes withholdeth them, according to the counsels of his own will." Wesley - May 1838
@EastofForever Well I don't see the Aldersgate experience as one among many. I see it as a unique experience just as Mr. Wesley himself said it was. I also never read in his journals anything before Aldersgate that he needed to "get over". He himself admits that he didn't even have believing faith which was what Aldersgate was all about. And if someone doesn't have one of those experiences then they aren't even saved! Also, no one ever said he (like all believers) didn't continue to grow.
@EastofForever Like I said I've never heard anyone compare his experience to Paul's as to the magnitude. But in his own words it was an instantaneous change. As for what other author's have to say, just read Wesley, not what others say about him. His works are still available for purchase. I am reading his journal now and I don't find it bland at all, but then again, that's just me.
@EastofForever I really don't know much about "Methodist lore" I just read Wesley; his journal, his sermons, etc... I've never as yet heard anyone compare his experience to Paul's, (though I'm not saying that hasn't happened). But as for it being only a more gradual process I have to disagree. "I felt my heart strangely warmed" what is that but not instantaneous. Yet I also believe that it was continual growth from that point, a daily walk, and a daily filling (as with all true believers).
Of course I know he was a man, and I don't believe I've claimed otherwise. I never even hinted that he was Jesus and died for my sins or that I was looking to Rev. Wesley for my salvation. But by your comments you it seems like you think that I am. You can't compare the life of Wesley preconversion ( as on the ship to America) and post conversion after (Aldersgate-street). As I stated before he would not have coward in fear at a little broken glass. You need read Wesley yourself.
As a reader of Wesley, I wonder if either the director or the one portraying Mr. Wesley ever read any of his works, especially his journal. I'm totally unimpressed with the lead actor's portrayal of Wesley in this trailer. I would not call his interpretation of Rev. Wesley as accurate, nor of the others, cowering in fear wondering what to do. Rev. Wesley was afraid of no one, especially not a little breaking of glass. I would imagine the rest of the film is just as inaccurate.
I wonder if they mention that the Moravians he was with on that boat starting singing hymns when the storm hit...hmm. I hope so considering parts of this movie are filmed in Old Salem, a Moravian settlement. And of course there are lovely shots of Salem College :)
PantherPiccolo 8 months ago
@EastofForever Though he may have been wanting in joy, He definitely had peace: "But this I know, I have 'now peace with God.' And I sin not today..."
"And herein I found the difference between this and my former state chiefly consisted. I was striving, yea, fighting with all my might under the law, as well as under grace. But then I sometimes, if not often conqured; now, I was always conqueror. " Wesley May 1738 That he continued to grow from that point no one doubts.
originaldanman 1 year ago
@EastofForever No one will ever be without temptation, and because we are doesn't prove our experience real or false. "Then was I taught, that peace and victory over sin are essential to faith in the Captain of our salvation: But that, as to the transports of joy that usually attend the beginning of it, especially in those who have mourned deeply, God sometimes giveth, sometimes withholdeth them, according to the counsels of his own will." Wesley - May 1838
originaldanman 1 year ago
@EastofForever Well I don't see the Aldersgate experience as one among many. I see it as a unique experience just as Mr. Wesley himself said it was. I also never read in his journals anything before Aldersgate that he needed to "get over". He himself admits that he didn't even have believing faith which was what Aldersgate was all about. And if someone doesn't have one of those experiences then they aren't even saved! Also, no one ever said he (like all believers) didn't continue to grow.
originaldanman 1 year ago
@EastofForever Like I said I've never heard anyone compare his experience to Paul's as to the magnitude. But in his own words it was an instantaneous change. As for what other author's have to say, just read Wesley, not what others say about him. His works are still available for purchase. I am reading his journal now and I don't find it bland at all, but then again, that's just me.
originaldanman 1 year ago
@EastofForever I really don't know much about "Methodist lore" I just read Wesley; his journal, his sermons, etc... I've never as yet heard anyone compare his experience to Paul's, (though I'm not saying that hasn't happened). But as for it being only a more gradual process I have to disagree. "I felt my heart strangely warmed" what is that but not instantaneous. Yet I also believe that it was continual growth from that point, a daily walk, and a daily filling (as with all true believers).
originaldanman 1 year ago
Of course I know he was a man, and I don't believe I've claimed otherwise. I never even hinted that he was Jesus and died for my sins or that I was looking to Rev. Wesley for my salvation. But by your comments you it seems like you think that I am. You can't compare the life of Wesley preconversion ( as on the ship to America) and post conversion after (Aldersgate-street). As I stated before he would not have coward in fear at a little broken glass. You need read Wesley yourself.
originaldanman 1 year ago
As a reader of Wesley, I wonder if either the director or the one portraying Mr. Wesley ever read any of his works, especially his journal. I'm totally unimpressed with the lead actor's portrayal of Wesley in this trailer. I would not call his interpretation of Rev. Wesley as accurate, nor of the others, cowering in fear wondering what to do. Rev. Wesley was afraid of no one, especially not a little breaking of glass. I would imagine the rest of the film is just as inaccurate.
originaldanman 2 years ago