ATC@JFK - Controller hacked off (by aldo benitez)

controller gets angry

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Film & Animation

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• jfk
• atc
• camrn
• lendy
• airport
• aviation
• air
• china

[737FSPilot]

STFU and assign a speed instead of just bitching.

[isilder]

"Not less than 180 knots".. yeah that is "please don't crash where you are, you can crash on the runway if you want"

[mulgrum]

@nighthawk818: I agree there's a difference between surgeons differing about 1 patient and arguments about a plane full of people, but I'm not sure why I should find that comforting. In any event, I was really referring to the posts on all these videos; I'm disturbed about how certain everyone is about the proper procedures, and how vehemently they disagree.

[ThreeProphets]

Heard this guy a couple times before, he's got a lot of stress. Can't blame him for losing his marbles occasionally.

[nighthawk808]

@mulgrum Not really. At a doctor's convention, you'd hear discussion there, but patients aren't dying left and right. There's a saying that if you put 4 pilots in a room, you'll get 5 opinions--6 if one's a CFI. I've dealt with plenty of controllers who were jerks like in this video, but for every 1 story like that, I've got a dozen of controllers who were excellent. Listen to Liveatc dot net for a while to see that. The most dangerous part of any flight is the drive to the airport.

[mulgrum]

To clarify, the commenters can't seem to agree on what any of the rules are. It's a miracle any of us arrive in one piece.

[mulgrum]

It seems like pilots, controllers, etc. argue over every aviation video. Pretty scary to us passengers.

[nighthawk808]

@cpt1radford I'm an actively-instructing CFII. Consult section 5-4-1 of the AIM, which says: "'Expect' altitudes/speeds are not considered STAR/RNAV STAR/FMSP procedures crossing restrictions until verbally issued by ATC." There's a difference between "maintain" and "expect". JBU was probably doing 220 because an upstream controller assigned that. In my time dealing with controllers, I've seen them make mistakes, but most of them would have just said, "JBU 852, maintain 260 knots."

[cpt1radford]

@nighthawk808 You are either not a pilot or a terrible instrument rated pilot. The "Expect Clearance" means expect to be Cleared for the STAR listed in their flight plan. So when "Cleared" for, lets say, the CAMRN 4 Arrival it is up to the pilot to follow the arrival instructions. That is the whole reason for the STAR so the pilot doesn't have to assign a speed or altitude. You apparently do not know what your are talking about. Now I have no sympathy for you.....

[Ronglimeng]

This controller has too much to say. All he had to do was tell Jet Blue to increase speed to ....whatever.

I've heard JFK controllers have attitude and make things look hard, while at Heathrow an equivalent amount of traffic is handled smoothly and professionally, even with a lot of the pilots speaking English as a second language.

[cat22planes]

@Learjet31Pilot

...and there is the clincher!!