bahaivision85

the Baha'i-Religion claims not to proselityce and being unpolitical. This movie should show an alternative view about this self aclaimed world religions intentions from a BBC documentary from 1985.
Statements of Shogi Effendis widow and Denis McEoin are part of this ripp off.
Sorry only in German synchronisation!!

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[DivineFellowship]

The "temple of unity" posture and chant show that there intersection with the best aspects of Hinduism/Yoga. It derives from the mystical and yogic tradition that is Sufism. The Baha'i Faith is like a form of Sufism writ large by the strange founder, then commandeered as a Marxist-friendly vehicle by western intellectuals from New York. Many Jews, innately Marxist, have been attracted to the Baha'i F. for a long time. But best thing that happened to me in the BF was chanting the Baha'i mantra.

[DivineFellowship]

Seen raw in the Aqdas, the Baha'i Faith is, to my eyes, is a very respectable religion. But the interesting point is that these are the elements modern Baha'is like least. They are even embarassed about them. So instead of a real religion they are now an intellectual movement. It's basically cultural Marxism and scientific materialism masquerading as religion, with the real religious element shuffled off to the side, embarassments.

[DivineFellowship]

The "temple of unity" thing is evocative. It suggests a spiritual life not dependent on a physical temple to pursue. Every poor couple or devotee could practice anywhere. It belies his own B-u-L's Aqda statement that nobody is to chant except in temples. From the Aqdas it becomes clear that the real Baha'i religion was very devotional (bhakti oriented), featured a lot of japa (Hindu term for repetition of prayer or mantra), was austere, and centered on a worshipful attitude toward God (bhakti).

[DivineFellowship]

Now, the interesting point is this: Even though this posture and chanting instruction is very easy to do, and highly significant spiritually, none of the Baha'is around me in the 70s or 80s had ever heard of it. It would have been so easy to include it in the "synopsis" they had available all those years, or to request the western Baha'is do this simple, devotional thing. But Baha'is are too materialistic. They devalue, or completely miss, the genuine spiritual content of their own religion.

[DivineFellowship]

This kind of thing has great intersection and resonance with Hindu Yoga, as well as Buddhism. To those who understand the significance of meditation, chanting, and personal worship in God-uncovery, it would be classed as the real heart and soul of the Baha'i Faith. That is, these little instructions to say certain chants, in certain postures. I actually used to do their "Greatest name" chant (though they said nobody need to) and I at in that very posture, and powerful things happened.

[DivineFellowship]

Now, I was astounded when I read that. In all my years as a Baha'i I had never heard of this, and Baha'is were not even aware of it, yet so easy to do. In terms of Hindu yoga this is an asana; a sitting posture for meditation. It is an aspect of Sufi 'yoga' as it were, and Baha'u'llah and the Bab could be described as Sufis indeed. The fact that they had a name for this bodily posture, and called it a "temple," is very profound.

[DivineFellowship]

For the audience I'll give another example of how sad the Baha'i Faith is. In their "Most Holy Book" there is a very interesting bit, a law. (Everything's a "command" in it.) It says:

"After completing the prostration, you and the women are to sit at the temple of Unity (haykal al-tawhid) and say eighteen times...[an Arabic verse]."

This is the Elder-Miller translation. They explain that "temple of Unity" meant sitting on the floor with feet crossed beneath and hands on knees.

[DivineFellowship]

Baha'i prayers are good. It develops one's bhakti.

However, Baha'is are not interested in worship as a concept or element of their religion. In fact, an honest analysis of the Baha'i writings would list "worship" as a "Top 10" basic teaching, not the other things. If you read the constant demands Baha'u'llah makes that he be worshiped, the adulation he directs at himself, we'd HAVE to list it. There are some very cool things in the Aqdas about worship. But Baha'i's are not interested in them.

[waiotahi52]

@DivineFellowship There is that youtubeassumptionism again. How can you possibly know Baha'i's are not interested in worship? Maybe in whatever sect it is you belong to, but all the ones I know Pray all the time.

[waiotahi52]

@duckotaco This is rubbish.

I have just told another of your supporters that they made the mistake of assuming I am a Baha'i.(youtubeassumptionism) None of the Baha'is I know would engage with you lot.I will, because I can see what idiots you are, and can say what I like to you. I have never heard a Baha'i say a prayer to the UHJ. About it yes, but not to it. Indeed most don't know the names of the Members. Now, I will track you and your diatribe,and enjoy myself.:-)