Ares V-Y ( CANCELED )

"Ares V-Y is the current designation for the maiden flight of the heavy-lift Ares V Shuttle-Derived Launch Vehicle. The rocket launch will be conducted to test the first stage, which uses six RS-68 rocket engines currently in use on the Delta IV EELV rocket with two 5.5 segment Solid Rocket Boosters. The Ares V will have an active Earth Departure Stage, which has a single J-2X rocket engine, but will not carry the Altair spacecraft a Constellation derivative of the Apollo Lander Mass Simulator (used on Apollos 4, 6, and 8) will be used instead. Ares V-Y will also see the first use of Kennedy Space Center's Launch Pad 39A, as it is currently be slated for use in the final Space Shuttle missions while Launch Pad 39B will be reconfigured for use as the Ares I launch facility.
Ares V-Y is currently scheduled to take place in June 2018, a little over 50 years since the unmanned Apollos 4 and 6 flights. It will most likely fly a so-called "Shuttle Standard Insertion" flight profile from launch into Low Earth Orbit, allowing NASA to test the SRBs, the five RS-68 engines, and the single, restartable, J-2X engine, the last engine being very important in that it would have to both insert the EDS and Altair into LEO, and then after an Orion spacecraft docks with Altair, propel the two vehicles out to the Moon. Once the initial launch sequence is done, NASA may then propel the EDS and its mass simulator into a permanent solar orbit or fire its J-2X engine and have the assembly crash into the Pacific Ocean in a manner similar to the de-orbiting of the Space Station Mir in 2001.
Upon launch, it will become the largest rocket ever sent into space, passing the Saturn V rocket."

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ares_V-Y
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Constellation_missions

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[davis3001]

Mr. Presdient ! There is NO other private rocket that can carry the sorts of loads that the Ares V was designed to lift ! 180 tonnes to Earth orbit and 71 tonnes to the Moon ! Why cancel Constellaton ??!!!

[downix]

@davisgreen2020 -- No, it shouldn't. Ares V could not work, the design was bad. The Engineers which worked on it said it would never work, period. They even proposed designs which do work. Ares V is broken, thanks to Ares I. If we had stuck to the original ESAS Ares III/IV/V arrangement as the engineers had wanted, Ares III would be flying already. IV would be next year, and V by 2016. But it is a radically different rocket than this thing. RS-25, 5-seg SRB, it would have worked.

[u7alll]

@davis3001 nasa only tells you 10% of what it sees. and what that 90% is, is highly classified. They might not want the people of the earth, to know what lies beyond our barrier

[dcb1138]

THE USA is WINNING the CGI conquest of Space. Look at our animation and videos. They are sooo much better than Russia's or China's.

[davisgreen2020]

Check out what Dr, Robert Zubrin has to say about the Ares ( his design) and the ARES V on my channel. Or the Mars Society channel. He says the USA need a HLV !! One that can carry 120 tons or more ! I will always like the ARES V. Yes replace the Ares 1 with private rocket. But NASA should build the ARES V !!!

[davisgreen2020]

@rjholling Deep thanks for all you reseach and info update !! In the end We both want the same goal ! That NASA go beyond LEO !! And do it NOW !! By 2020 I want my then 21 year old son to look up at the night sky and look at the Moon. Use a telescope and look at Mars. And say Humans are up there !! Living and working !! To really "Boldly go where no one has gone before !!" What ever it is called we need a powerful HLV and rocket to carry humans to space !! Otherwise we are on a dead end road !!

[TheFutureIsRightHere]

@davisgreen2020 You should check out ESA's Aurora Programme. They have plans on getting to the moon at around 2025 and to set the first humans to Mars at 2030/2031.

[davisgreen2020]

@rjholling I want to see the an animation or design of this SD HLV ! Will it get humans beyond low Earth orbit !?!! Returning to the Moon and on to Mars by 2033 !!? I´m fed up NASA going no where !!

[rjholling]

@davisgreen2020 A much better design is a true SD HLV that doesnt require multibillion dollar development efforts we dont have the money for. 70mT with propellant depots yields even GREATER TMI mass than Ares V. The bill in the senate leverages the shuttle tech for a SD HLV and develops the commercial industry for ISS resupply and crew rotation. A very good bill that is lightyears better than Michael Griffin's Constellation shenanigans.

[rjholling]

@davisgreen2020 subsequent reversal it lost more functionality including reusability which means you have to put a new $1 billion Orion on each Ares I you fly. As far as Ares V goes, we would have to completely redesign the tooling at the MAF for 10m cores instead of 8.4m that shuttle uses. On top of that the SRBs would melt the RS-68 engines at the base so those need multibillion dollar redesigns for regenerative cooling. You see what I am getting at? Terrible design from an engineers POV.

[rjholling]

@davisgreen2020 Except for the fact that it doesn't really use shuttle parts. Ares V calls for 5.5 segment SRBs. This after spending $3 billion and counting to design an upgrade from a 4 to 5 segment for whimpy uber expensive Ares I. The architecture is terrible because it doesn't leverage anything and is really two brand new completely different rocket programs that only look like a shuttle stack. Ares I has so little lift mass they had to redesign Orion 4 times and with each...