Dr. David Berlinski: Not Asking for Much (Clip 14)

The producers of the critically-acclaimed documentary "Icons of Evolution" sat down for an interview with Dr. Berlinski. This is a clip from that interview.

David Berlinski was raised in New York City, educated at Columbia College and recieved his Ph.D in philosophy from Princeton University. He later became a Fellow of the Faculty in Mathematics and a Post Doctoral Fellow in molecular biology at Columbia University.

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[enoch1844]

@gregrutz DNA has DIS-proven evolution! How could the information for the first living cell ever 'evolve'. It would be like several volumes of Encyclopedia Britannica 'just coming into existence' plus the whole system of interpreting that information, creating proteins from it, regulating the life of the cell, reproducing, etc., totally from dirt! Macro-evolutin has NEVER been "observed in nature and in the lab." Even after millions of generations of fruit flies. Still fruit flies! lol!

[kkkaldav]

@gregrutz Ah, but children ask questions about abiogenesis, and you just answer about evolution af if there was no other part of the question left unaswered. That is, you have falsely restricted the real point of interest in order to pretend to have answered it. As for knowing what happened over the last 3 billion years, I've already explained that you have no clue what some apsects of living things are and so you are in no position to say what is needed for them to arise.

[gregrutz]

@kkkaldav Childern don't study Abiogenesis anyway. As far as evoltuion goes, we do know what happened over the last 3 billion years, we have the fossils.

[kkkaldav]

@gregrutz Scientists know a whole lot let less than you think. They have no idea how the first cell could ever have come to be. To claim otherwise is to lie. They have no idea how to even think about what consciousness might be - thus they cannot with almost anything about how such a thing might come to arise. To claim otherwise is to lie. And so on. Therefore to claim that we know this stuff, or to present evolution and not say anything about these things, is dishonest.

[gregrutz]

@kkkaldav Scientists know more that you think. They have a very good idea how evolution progressed and how life started. I studied chemisty and it seems easy enough to me. What difference does it make, we know it did.

Science tries to understand nature, we don't have to repeat everything to know what happened.

[gregrutz]

@kkkaldav Scientists know more that you think. They have a very good idea how evolution progressed and how it started. What difference does it make, we know it did.

Science tries to understand nature, we don't have to repeat everything to know what happened.

[kkkaldav]

@gregrutz You tell them the truth. That is, you tell them we don't have any idea how life came to exist, and while there are some very basic suggestions about some aspects of the underlying processes of how life subsequetly developed, we don't have anything like good enough knowledge of what living things actually are to have any real idea of whether the processes identified could actually do that job. Even that would amount to letting them down gently, but it's better than telling them lies.

[gregrutz]

@kkkaldav Even though it has been accepted for 150 years? What do you tell the childern when they ask how evolution happens?

[kkkaldav]

@gregrutz I think his point is more that given the number and depth of the holes, the theory as it stands is simply not credible as an an account of what it is said to explain. Maybe in 300 years... And given this, we should stop making massively inflated claims for it's explanatory power/completeness and we certainly shouldn't pass it off in those ways to children.

[gregrutz]

@kkkaldav Yes there are holes in the Theory. My point is, What good does it do for Mr Math to point that out. It does not mean evolution did not happen, and that is his point.