Light contact dagger sparring

Free dagger Training without protection, using replicas of the wooden practice daggers, shown in the fencing book of Joachim Meyer, 1570 a.d.

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Sports

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• fencing
• historical
• dagger
• meyer
• sword
• martial
• arts

[astrayl]

as a general rule most martials art techniques don't survive introduction to combat. they are only there to teach you the basic movements and how they mesh with your opponents. Learning a complex wrist and elbow lock to put an opponent down is all well and good but the opprotunity for such a lock will be few and far between. The basic defensive and offesive motions are the bread and butter of any weapon.

[VikingWannaBe51887]

some or if not most rondel daggers have a single edge. It was first adopted as a tool but later on used as a weapon. The common man also had acess to weapon/tool. It wasn't just knights. You should check out the book called medieval combat.Its a series of 15th centery manuscripts and It covers rondel dagger close quarters fighting and you can pick it up for about $8. That should answer most of your questions. its a must get.

[brianspost75]

@DiabolusIgnis Good advice lol.

[DiabolusIgnis]

@brianspost75 Oh, BTW. "The survivor of a knife fight dies in the hospital." Something like that. It's IIRC an Italian

wisdom.

[DiabolusIgnis]

@brianspost75 Why do that? That grip is AFAIK generally better than the fencer's grip. If you mean the fencer's grip as in holding the dagger tip upwards, that is.

[brianspost75]

So it looks like they would both be dead. Try using the fencers grip next time.

[ChishioAme]

@acerb45666555 That's all well and good... In the movies. The rondel was used as a self defense weapon for centuries, so if these techniques didn't actually work, we wouldn't be having this discussion because Liechtenauer would never have included them in his fechtbuch.

[miraclemuaythai]

cool! great vid.

[Raithor83]

@astrayl You obviously don't study Martial Arts for self defense. I study traditional Jiu Jitsu and use locks and holds frequently at work; I currently do security at the University I am attending. I can't count the number of times I've subdued some drunk jock with a wrist lock or a simple throw/take down. Sober or drunk, there is an extreme advantage that comes with dedicated Martial Arts training and practice.

[temmy9]

@punyo4u Please keep in mind the context. The rondel was essentially a spike used to punch through mail armour. The techniques being shown were intended to be used by men in full armour against men in full armour. Slashing attacks with a knife will have little impact on a man in good mail. Forward stabs with a rondel will not the generate the needed energy to pierce the rings. To gain the needed energy, you need a powerful downwards stab.

[punyo4u]

Your biggist advantage in a knife fight is REACH. While the reverse grip has strong stabbing power, and can produce a powerful forward slash, the tradeoff in reach over a sabre grip or quarter sabre grip can be deadly. Reverse grip has its place but should never be trained in this way (as shown in this video). Pick your target from a distance then move in and strike quickly and then back out - this can be hard to do from a reverse grip.

[sikkco]

you know it would be a lot easier to test or practice if you both had armor or pads so that you could actually hit eachother with the dagger instead of having to hold back