Is consciousness a self referential paradox?

Dewinthemorning tagged me to "Make a video with at least one mathematical or philosophical paradox."

Here's her video:
This Title does not Contain the Word 'Paradox'
http://youtu.be/2Tn-vPNRnIQ

This is the video where someone tries to use Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem to prove God:
Part 25: Kurt Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem and the Origin of the Universe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxoZ8REpH-g

The whole channel, "CosmicFingerprints" is an attempt to prove God with science:
http://www.youtube.com/user/CosmicFingerprints?feature=watch

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Here is who I am tagging:

http://www.youtube.com/user/MichaelPayton67
http://www.youtube.com/user/wisdominnature7
http://www.youtube.com/user/abbynormal0ne

Category:

Education

Tags:

• dewinthemorning
• paradox
• Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem
• Turing

[beyondEV]

(cont.) we then elevate it from a hypothesis to a scientific theory.

often people forget that even if a prove is true, if any of the premesises is false, then the conclusion is false, too. if you simply take a logical prove out of the logical framework and apply it to something which is incompatible with the logical framework the conclusion becomes false.

it should also be noted that we can only disprove the compatibility of a logical system with the world, but never prove it's true.

[zarkoff45]

@beyondEV

That last part was well said.

[beyondEV]

i think you got it complety wrong when you say that goedels prove is weak. we can only prove or disprove anything within the framework of a logical system. goedel proved that we cannot the mathemathical systems isn't free of paradox and complete (meaning: there is no finite set of axioms which describe the system). that actually goes way beyond just mathematics and holds true for most logical systems (useful ones). (cont.)

[zarkoff45]

@beyondEV

I actually believe Godel's proof as far as I can understand it. But when you say it goes way beyond mathematics that gets into very fuzzy territory. How and why do you think it goes beyond math?

[beyondEV]

@zarkoff45: there is (probably) a infinite number of logical systems which could be constructed. some of them are useful. for most of those systems similar proves like goedels can be construct, that show that the system can not be free of paradoxes and complete. this weakness is not unique to mathematics.

the other reason why his proof is so important, is that it shows us the limits of any science based on our current mathematics.

[zarkoff45]

@beyondEV

You've thrown out too many ideas for one night. Take a break. Then write an essay.

[beyondEV]

i doubt that consciousness is a self-referential paradox. as far as i know consciousness always comes with a unconsciousness attached to it. if not we may actually have a problem.

some crazy remark: psychologial disorders may could be explain in the context of the occurence of self-referential problems and the brians mechanism to compensate and evade them.

[beyondEV]

(cont.) the axioms of the logical system are all additional premises of the argument, normally we suppress their notion, since it's clear from the context that they are to be taken into account.

because we can only proves things in a logical system, we often use such in order to describe the world (e.g. science). we then desgin empirical tests attempting to find instances where the logical system fails. if we done a lot of test and fail to find fault in the system, (cont.)

[Artifactorfiction]

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