Is Baptism Necessary for Salvation? 3/4

The Bible teaches that baptism is not necessary for salvation (Acts 10:43-48; 1 Cor. 1:17). We are justified before God by faith (Rom. 4:5; Eph. 2:8-9). Since God works covenantally, it is important to understand that baptism is a covenant sign just like circumcision in the Old Testament. Circumcision was not necessary for salvation in the Old Testament nor is baptism necessary for salvation today.

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[lllannallll]

@javypez Tis a new day! Don't forget your thoughts on the salvation of King Saul - when the Spirit came upon him, and God gave him a new heart. Add to that this: the Spirit departed from King Saul. Didn't think that could happen? Well, it did. Was he ever saved to start with - with the Spirit upon him and a new heart? Did he lose his salvation when the Spirit departed from him? Don't neglect that example - it's important.

[lllannallll]

@javypez gn ... sleep on it

[lllannallll]

@javypez 1 Sam 10: 10 "... and the Spirit of God came upon him (Saul)" Fine. According to Baptist doctrine, this MUST indicate Saul's salvation. Well, I'd reconsider that. Was Saul a saved man? If so, it's mighty strange because the Spirit departed from him, he became an enemy of God, and committed suicide. I'd like to hear your response to that.

[lllannallll]

@javypez .... and the crux of the matter is this: the Spirit descended upon someone, whether Saul, Peter, Balaam's ass, Paul, Samson, or Cornelius is NOT for the purpose of proving salvation. There's the problem. You think King Saul was saved because the Spirit came upon him. Well, I must say: he's a strange example of a saved person, especially since the Spirit departed from him. I repeat: miraculous acts of the Spirit are NOT to prove salvation.

[javypez]

@javypez Anyone who condemns Christ is not saved and never was ( 1 John 2:19)

[lllannallll]

@javypez "I say praise God for whatever reason He chose Peter." I say, if you are correct, why send ANYBODY? What purpose did Peter or anyone else SERVE, according to you? NONE, as best I can tell. Cornelius could have "gotten the Spirit" from hearing ANYONE "begin to speak" - or no one. Why'd Cornelius need anyone, including Peter? Certainly not to hear the gospel, for he received the Spirit BEFORE hearing it.

[javypez]

@lllannallll Now hold on, I didnt say everyone who is Christ is perfect.

[javypez]

@javypez And I really must say that Peter was not "needed"

[lllannallll]

@javypez Do you see that your position FORCES you to say ... to assume ... #1 that Cornelius suddenly became a believer just as Peter began to speak, yet #2 even when Peter had FINISHED his sermon in Acts 2, you are saying the people did NOT believe? And you have to somehow say that the conversion examples of Acts 2 and Acts 10 simply are CONTRADICTORY? You will not, and cannot, attempt to merge them into one plan.

[javypez]

@lllannallll Peter was chosen for God's own purpose. God couldve chose anyone, any Jew. That is for God's own pleasure. I say praise God for whatever reason He chose Peter.