John Piper - How Does God Show Love?

John Piper explains the ultimate expression of love from God toward people.

"The New Birth Produces Love"
March 16, 2008

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[th60064]

God made us and our minds but he doesn't control it. If he controls it then its not free. He gave us the freedom to choose to obey him or reject him. whatever choice we make we still have to pay the consequences for it. If a murder chooses to kill someone and the police catches him he still has to be punished for the crime. The Beauty of Christ is he took all the justice of God that should have gone to us by our disobedience and laid it on himself so that we can be redeemed through faith in him

[SHIBBYiPANDA]

@th60064 yes my mind has a conscience.. But God made my mind.. So what it chooses to do is in accordance to what God wills..

[th60064]

@SHIBBYiPANDA God created us with the ability to know right from wrong and gave us the ability to choose between the two. Isn't it true of yourself that when you do something bad your conscience tells you what you have done is wrong? Yet instead of turning from our sins we continue in doing them that is because we are born into sin because of Adam and the bible goes further to say that we are enemies of God in our minds. But he gave us a way to be redeemed by the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross

[SHIBBYiPANDA]

@MrGoodNKinky agreed..

[MrGoodNKinky]

@SHIBBYiPANDA

I can't point to one book that states what i am saying because i do not parrot any book.

However a researching Quantium Physics, Multiverse theory. These things can open your eyes to a larger reality then we imagined prior to the discovery of these things.

To say this God thing is a Force behind the Universe doesn't prove it thinks and reasons like any religion.

Gravity is a force but it doesn't care what beliefs you have or if you believe in it or not!

[MrGoodNKinky]

@SHIBBYiPANDA

What is Ambiguous about saying our perceptions of reality and what is Good / Evil are results of how the Physical brain interprets the physical world we experience through our senses. As well as the culture on lives in helps to shape their viiew of the world and what is right and wrong.

None of which would be possible from any so-called God.

Given that being wouldn't be bound by the tings we are and thus wouldn't have the limited perception.

This is simply Logic.

[SHIBBYiPANDA]

@MrGoodNKinky haha that came across as pretty ambiguous.. I'm agnostic hindi I was just asking if where u gathered your philosophy from..

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@SHIBBYiPANDA

What I pointed out is simply Logical thought.

It doesn't require a book having it wriitten in it for it to be true.

Also what qualifies as a "Good" book is extremely subjective.

What I would concider a Good book you may think is garbage. And vice versa.

This is why logic and reason combined with facts and evidence are vital to a well informed position.

[SHIBBYiPANDA]

@MrGoodNKinky Haha do you have a good book that points out things like that? I entirely agree....

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@th60064 Why should He punish us? He made us this way.. Who is He to judge?? Where exactly does He get authority to judge someone to take ALL the blame for their actions and damned infinite torment?????