ThunderF00t's pissing match with DawahFilms

NOTE: I love ThunderF00t's videos. His championing of knowledge, of freespeech and integrity are an inspiration to the youtube community.

For the extra stupid. I'm a Taoist not a Muslim. I don't believe in God. I do believe religion can be expressed in positive ways for some people. My approach attempts to be innocent till proven guilty.

How do people who actually agree for the most part could be interpreted as homocidal monsters. An amazing discovery is "made". Most people have a breaking point for which they will justify the evils of war. Neither thunderfoot nor dawahFilms condones the killing of civilians. Brothers.

I'm sorry this video was made in haste. Many of the civilians killed in this video were not killed by the U.S. military forces and its sleeping giant. All technically equiped militaries are sleeping giants. I don't have very good pictures of the Americans bombing the sh*t out Japan, Vietnam, Iraq, or whatever, I'd throw in a few good pictures of Israeli forces too. To be fair, I could have added some of the evils done by the Japanese upon the Chinese, etc, etc.

Are pictures of war violence one sided? YES!!! Lets be honest, war is HELL. It may be on occasion necessary, certainly most of us will condone it in self defense. But when you declare war, most of the people who die are not soldiers but innocent non-combatants and the hatred feeds upon itself.

The irony is this. BOTH THUNDERFOOT and DAWAHFILMS condone free speech. They have different opinions on some of the details perhaps. Neither condones violence for the case of making insults.

But if you want to find some youtube terrorist wanna bes, then sure, go over the RevolutionMuslims page while it still exists. That group condones EXECUTION even if one claims Mohammed had a dirty button on his jacket. They take the word of some scholar to back up their claims.

Again, I neither feel that thunderfoot not dawahFilms condones the killing of innocent people!!!

For the record, all this violence footage makes great terrorist propaganda. Hate builds hate. People get angry when they see innocent people killed.

As for the term moderate muslim, I'm not a muslim but there exists quite a broad range of thinking among moderate muslims.

In terms of the fruits of western civlisation? I worked in the telecom industry for quite a while. TONS upon TONS of Muslims were developing my treasured western technologies in those work places. To my knowledge, most were moderate. Obviously some of them were deeply upset about Israel and numerous other areas. All were accomodating and understanding towards other people's faiths as far as I can tell.

Creating a rift where there is none is what Bin Laden wants.

I look forward to seeing real dialog rather than pissing matches.

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[ASTCify]

Dawahfilms was slow as hell.

[truevoiceofsanity]

@ASTCify Some of the formal muslim greetings are cumbersome. Most of the muslims I know don;t talk like that. ;).

[CHAS1422]

Finally, I wanted to say that Naziism and Imperial Japan were also self serving ideologies with no intrinsic individual rights. These ideologies awakened a sleeping giant. In your video you show the grand daddy of responses, the bomb dropped on Nagasaki. Perhaps you should also show what led to the horriffic response. Maybe a few shots of the Nanking slaughter, Pearl Harbor, The Phillipines, Guadalcanal. Just to be fair that the giant was responding to a threat.

[truevoiceofsanity]

@CHAS1422 You have Taoist potential. As I said in my commentary, the selection of graphic pictures of killing of innocent people can and are used to manipulate people considerably. My point is that in the context of TF's video, "nuke Iran" might be the sort of nuance that DF read into the original. Images of japan were included because the original comment came from a Japanese commenting on Pearl harbour. ;).

[truevoiceofsanity]

@CHAS1422 And I agree. The Japanese and German regimes were involved in lots of horrible acts and were horrible regimes. War is war. Innocents were still killed by us. Was it necessary in a total war scenario? I don't know; perhaps it was. Innocents still died. I could make a war is evil video but that would take a long time to do objectively. It would also be pretty disgusting. The images in my video were bad enough.

[OHanswerME4Hamlet20]

FUCK Malam alakam

[gellymatos]

@gellymatos ... a more developed country isn't exactly an unusual idea. I mean, people have been migrating to the U.S. for quite a while. And western european nations have had similar issues. Hardly religious reasons.

[gellymatos]

@CHAS1422 You know, there's a really simple solution I thought someone would suggest, but no one has bothered trying: Ask said muslims and their leaders. Ask the muslim leaders (I can never remember what they call their priests) and ask about the differences in interpretations. It's really that simple. Yet, I highly doubt such followers of "logic and reason" of TF's ilk will try to find it. Look for the facts. Don't just take the info handed to you. And immigration into...

[CHAS1422]

@gellymatos Yes I agree that most muslims are generally peaceful, but I think that M himself condemned the reluctant warrior. What then is real Islam? It seems to be a slippery doctrine, and yet its adherents say it is perfect uncorruptable and clear. It seems to morph from a war God intent on condemning & destroying disbelief to a bunch of freedom loving individuals who actually make friends with and infiltrate the unbelieving kaffir. Notice how the immigration is all one way?

[CHAS1422]

@truevoiceofsanity I should have read the commentary, as you say. I dislike the one-sided approach of rights from Islam, they demand but offer none in return. The westernized muslims offer talent, and are creative in the allotted disciplines generated by free society, but where Islam is the constitution, and Imams rule with impunity, I see horrible repressive censored cruel invasive uncreative judgemental misogynistic monolithic delusional theocratic societies emerge.

[gellymatos]

@CHAS1422 Actually, you just evaded my question and point. I wasn't talking about the worst in Muhammed. I was talking about muslims. And this "TRUE" muslim thing sounds like no true scotsman in reverse. I'm sorry, but last I checked my friends who are muslims aren't a bunch of killers. Nor have they threatened anyone. My question remains. What of the majority of muslims who aren't radical, killers, or extremists.

[CHAS1422]

@gellymatos You say interpretation and context are key, I say your comment evades the truth. Muhammed was a war lord & the deprivations, restrictions, judgements, dread of disbelief, disdain & encitement of terror for the kaffir he placed upon his followers through explicit instruction alledgedly from Allah, (especially toward his young male followers), bred a medievel war machine that conquered multi-millions of square miles from it's neighbors. These were the "TRUE" muslims.